Very valid point, Ricardo. I agree whole heartedly. On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 3:43 AM, Ricardo Walker <rwalker...@gmail.com>wrote:
> Hi, > > I think it has to start with agencies for the blind and the educational > system. As an adult it's easy enough to just get up and go to an apple > store, or have the money to pay for 1 on 1 training at said apple store. > But a 12 year old not so much. I think younger people must be exposed to > other options. It doesn't even have anything to do with how great Apple is. > It's just creating a market where people can obtain access to the > technology they need without selling their first born. lol. If anything, I > think Apple has started to make makers of adaptive technology squirm a bit. > It becomes harder for them to justified the cost of their products. > > On Apr 15, 2010, at 6:30 AM, marie Howarth wrote: > > I know in my local store, there are two designated VO trainers and other > staff constantly tell me they have played with VO on varying products. I > think where there is a demand for it it will happen. Apple is extremely > flexible. :) > > On 15 Apr 2010, at 11:27, Rob Lambert wrote: > > I agree. Only time will tell, of course. Who better to train people on > their products than Apple themselves? I haven't used it, but I do like their > one-to-one service, and my hope is they've set aside some staff that have > been trained in VoiceOver for us. If not, they should. > > On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 3:24 AM, marie Howarth > <marie.jane2...@gmail.com>wrote: > >> I think it all depends on the user and their attitude too. An individual >> may hear about macs on a podcast or know of another user with a mac who is >> also VI, and take themselves off to the Apple store. In manchester, I know >> due to myself and a few other VI customers, most of the staff in the store >> are highly familiar with voice over. As for training, I think its coming >> from Apple in the near future. >> >> On 15 Apr 2010, at 10:54, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote: >> >> I'd very much doubt it Rob. I don't know what it's like in other >> countries, but here in Ireland most of the trainers are actually sighted. >> Macs haven't penetrated the mainstream userbase to the same extent as >> windows-based Pcs. Consequently the level of knowledge among the trainers >> on the actual OS itself (not including VO) is virtually non existent. The >> fact that the trainers would have to go and learn an entirely new platform, >> and then educate themselves in a new style of assistive technology makes it >> pretty certain that the majority of blind users will be stuck with Jaws and >> other badly implemented screenreaders for the foreseeable future. >> >> It's sad, but in my opinion true that this is the case. >> >> Dónal >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto: >> macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Rob Lambert >> *Sent:* 15 April 2010 10:47 >> *To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> *Subject:* Re: new member >> >> Who here thinks we'll see the Mac replacing PCs in AT training offices? >> >> On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 2:43 AM, Joe Plummer <joeplum...@tds.net> wrote: >> >>> For other A T you can run boot camp or virtual windows to use them. >>> >>> >>> >>> Sign, >>> Joe Plummer ( JP ) >>> joeplum...@tds.net >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anne Robertson >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 5:46 PM >>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: new member >>> >>> Hello Denise, >>> >>> I hope the word processor you are thinking of getting is iWork09, since >>> MS >>> Office for Mac is not accessible. >>> >>> As for Word documents of almost any level, TextEdit or Pages will read >>> these >>> just fine. >>> >>> I can't answer any of your other questions having never been a Windows >>> user. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Anne >>> >>> On Apr 14, 2010, at 11:27 PM, denise avant wrote: >>> >>> > hello, >>> > after having my iphone for six months now, i have really enjoyed my >>> experience with apple. To that end, i am looking into purchasing a mac >>> book >>> pro. In fact, i called for some specs today and have set one with 4 gig >>> of >>> ram, and a 320 hard drive, 13 in screen. again this is just a possiblity. >>> > i will also have the word processor included. i will also have the >>> one-to-one training as there is a nearby apple store in chicago. >>> > i am curious as to what those of you who own macs have done about your >>> other windows based adatpive equipment, duxbury, openbook or k1000 and hw >>> stream companion? how easy is it to move ms word 2003 2007 docs over to >>> apple macs, still keep the formatting or move them back again? >>> > I thought of just keeping my netbook or sony machine for these >>> purposes. >>> there was also the idea given to me that i could have windows on one side >>> and the mac on the other side. any thoughts on these questions would be >>> apprciated. >>> > >>> > >>> > -- >>> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<macvisionaries%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> >>> . >>> > For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> > >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<macvisionaries%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> >>> . >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<macvisionaries%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> >>> . >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<macvisionaries%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> >> . >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<macvisionaries%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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