Good news! I am so glad that people are waking up to apple! Olivia On Apr 15, 2010, at 7:02 AM, marie Howarth wrote:
> I've just done a little scouting around. And I was wrong. RNIB actually have > offered training days for agencies, people with a VI and parents of children > who are have VI children. They also list the IPhone on their accessible > phones list. I guess the information has not filtered across to their > organisation who carries out the support. > So I guess they acknowledge the fact but don't shout about it. > > On 15 Apr 2010, at 11:46, Rob Lambert wrote: > >> Very valid point, Ricardo. I agree whole heartedly. >> >> On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 3:43 AM, Ricardo Walker <rwalker...@gmail.com> wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I think it has to start with agencies for the blind and the educational >> system. As an adult it's easy enough to just get up and go to an apple >> store, or have the money to pay for 1 on 1 training at said apple store. >> But a 12 year old not so much. I think younger people must be exposed to >> other options. It doesn't even have anything to do with how great Apple is. >> It's just creating a market where people can obtain access to the >> technology they need without selling their first born. lol. If anything, I >> think Apple has started to make makers of adaptive technology squirm a bit. >> It becomes harder for them to justified the cost of their products. >> >> On Apr 15, 2010, at 6:30 AM, marie Howarth wrote: >> >>> I know in my local store, there are two designated VO trainers and other >>> staff constantly tell me they have played with VO on varying products. I >>> think where there is a demand for it it will happen. Apple is extremely >>> flexible. :) >>> >>> On 15 Apr 2010, at 11:27, Rob Lambert wrote: >>> >>>> I agree. Only time will tell, of course. Who better to train people on >>>> their products than Apple themselves? I haven't used it, but I do like >>>> their one-to-one service, and my hope is they've set aside some staff that >>>> have been trained in VoiceOver for us. If not, they should. >>>> >>>> On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 3:24 AM, marie Howarth <marie.jane2...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> I think it all depends on the user and their attitude too. An individual >>>> may hear about macs on a podcast or know of another user with a mac who is >>>> also VI, and take themselves off to the Apple store. In manchester, I know >>>> due to myself and a few other VI customers, most of the staff in the store >>>> are highly familiar with voice over. As for training, I think its coming >>>> from Apple in the near future. >>>> >>>> On 15 Apr 2010, at 10:54, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote: >>>> >>>>> I'd very much doubt it Rob. I don't know what it's like in other >>>>> countries, but here in Ireland most of the trainers are actually sighted. >>>>> Macs haven't penetrated the mainstream userbase to the same extent as >>>>> windows-based Pcs. Consequently the level of knowledge among the >>>>> trainers on the actual OS itself (not including VO) is virtually non >>>>> existent. The fact that the trainers would have to go and learn an >>>>> entirely new platform, and then educate themselves in a new style of >>>>> assistive technology makes it pretty certain that the majority of blind >>>>> users will be stuck with Jaws and other badly implemented screenreaders >>>>> for the foreseeable future. >>>>> >>>>> It's sad, but in my opinion true that this is the case. >>>>> >>>>> Dónal >>>>> >>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rob Lambert >>>>> Sent: 15 April 2010 10:47 >>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>> Subject: Re: new member >>>>> >>>>> Who here thinks we'll see the Mac replacing PCs in AT training offices? >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 2:43 AM, Joe Plummer <joeplum...@tds.net> wrote: >>>>> For other A T you can run boot camp or virtual windows to use them. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sign, >>>>> Joe Plummer ( JP ) >>>>> joeplum...@tds.net >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anne Robertson >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 5:46 PM >>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>> Subject: Re: new member >>>>> >>>>> Hello Denise, >>>>> >>>>> I hope the word processor you are thinking of getting is iWork09, since MS >>>>> Office for Mac is not accessible. >>>>> >>>>> As for Word documents of almost any level, TextEdit or Pages will read >>>>> these >>>>> just fine. >>>>> >>>>> I can't answer any of your other questions having never been a Windows >>>>> user. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> >>>>> Anne >>>>> >>>>> On Apr 14, 2010, at 11:27 PM, denise avant wrote: >>>>> >>>>> > hello, >>>>> > after having my iphone for six months now, i have really enjoyed my >>>>> experience with apple. To that end, i am looking into purchasing a mac >>>>> book >>>>> pro. In fact, i called for some specs today and have set one with 4 gig of >>>>> ram, and a 320 hard drive, 13 in screen. again this is just a possiblity. >>>>> > i will also have the word processor included. i will also have the >>>>> one-to-one training as there is a nearby apple store in chicago. >>>>> > i am curious as to what those of you who own macs have done about your >>>>> other windows based adatpive equipment, duxbury, openbook or k1000 and hw >>>>> stream companion? how easy is it to move ms word 2003 2007 docs over to >>>>> apple macs, still keep the formatting or move them back again? >>>>> > I thought of just keeping my netbook or sony machine for these >>>>> > purposes. >>>>> there was also the idea given to me that i could have windows on one side >>>>> and the mac on the other side. any thoughts on these questions would be >>>>> apprciated. >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > -- >>>>> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> > Groups >>>>> 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