They from what I've read are like a lot of other organizations, You need accessible toilet paper to work off of the role before it can be deemed safe to do it's primary function for a blind person:) On 2010-04-21, at 6:20 AM, marie Howarth wrote:
> Neither can I Nick. As someone who has never even looked at my sim card in > the IPhone, I couldn't comment but I think some users may find it difficult > to know which way around the simcard goes. I know I used to always get my dad > to change simcards in my old phones. But they don't even mention the sim card > component in this article, and I highly doubt they're probably too aware of > it. lol. I'm sure they would have said something if they knew about the > simcard option. > > On 21 Apr 2010, at 11:12, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Hmm. I'm going to be interested in that. Inserting the sim in the iPhone is >> ridiculously easy. >> >> I want to do it on the iPad now. I can't imagine it being any different. >> >> Regards, >> Nic >> Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com >> Skype: Kvalme >> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk >> AIM: cincinster >> yahoo Messenger: cin368 >> Facebook Profile >> My Twitter >> >> On Apr 21, 2010, at 12:10 PM, marie Howarth wrote: >> >>> I don't know if the tripple click of the home button is set to a default >>> but Apple try to not second guess their customers so I think this would be >>> kind of counter Apple. And not to mention, they would still complain if the >>> triple tap brought up voice over when it was a low vision user who was >>> using the phone. I seriously think this article is nit picking. And, like >>> you say Dan, all of these devices need to be hooked up to ITunes to get >>> them working. Someone also pointed out on twitter earlier that the >>> insertion of a simcard into the IPhones and IPad 3Gs would not be >>> accessible. I don't know about anywhere else, but Apple inserted my simcard >>> into my IPhone and registered it for me in store when I got it. And with >>> the introduction of the new Micro-sims, I don't want to be messing with >>> something that small. I'll leave that to the experts thank you :) >>> >>> On 21 Apr 2010, at 08:30, Dan Eickmeier wrote: >>> >>>> Yeah, agreed there Anne. Apple does have it right, and obviously these >>>> blindness organizations expect VO, and any accessibility features to be >>>> turned on by default. The iPod touch, iPhone, and iPad are accessible out >>>> of the box in my opinion, because with those devices, you have to hook >>>> them up to a computer anyway at first, before using them to sync your >>>> content, and register the device. Voiceover can be turned on in iTunes >>>> via the device's settings, so therefore I do consider that accessible out >>>> of the box. Maybe what they were getting at, is the fact that it'd be >>>> nice if the tripple-click home setting under accessibility was set to >>>> toggle Voiceover by default? Not sure, , but that's a possibility as to >>>> what they were getting at. >>>> On Apr 20, 2010, at 5:30 PM, Anne Robertson wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hello Nic, >>>>> >>>>> Yes, it was a pretty good article for the RNIB, but I had the same >>>>> reaction as you did about it being a pity it wasn't accessible out of the >>>>> box. They just can't admit that Apple has really got it right! >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> >>>>> Anne >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Apr 20, 2010, at 10:19 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm a bit confused here. >>>>>> >>>>>> "It is just a shame that VoiceOver is switched off by default, meaning >>>>>> it has to be activated before the iPad can be used." and "It would have >>>>>> been a real bonus had the iPad been accessible out of the box. >>>>>> Unfortunately, this was not quite the case." >>>>>> >>>>>> These views are kind of strange and puzzling to me. It seems a weird >>>>>> definition of "out of the box". It's a mainstream product. That'd make >>>>>> it too confusing for a sighted user using the iPad if VoiceOver was on >>>>>> by default. And, by all rights, it shouldn't be on by default, as it is >>>>>> a product not geared "specifically" towards blind people. That's the >>>>>> only thing I found kind of odd, but otherwise, pretty nice. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> Nic >>>>>> Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com >>>>>> Skype: Kvalme >>>>>> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk >>>>>> AIM: cincinster >>>>>> yahoo Messenger: cin368 >>>>>> Facebook Profile >>>>>> My Twitter >>>>>> >>>>>> On Apr 20, 2010, at 6:46 PM, marie Howarth wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I would agree with you John. as a total VI user of an IPhone, I don't >>>>>>> think they praised the screen reader enough. And its that point of the >>>>>>> accessibility out of the box that has wound me up. I think that could >>>>>>> put users off entirely and let's see, how many products are accessible >>>>>>> out of the box that rNIB promotes readily? >>>>>>> I'll post a link to my blog I'm writing for you guys to agree or >>>>>>> disagree with me but on the whole, I think its a fair first impressions. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 20 Apr 2010, at 17:33, John J Herzog wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks for passing this article along. I think that, for the most >>>>>>>> part, this article was fair. They seem to point out both positives and >>>>>>>> negatives of the product which is good. >>>>>>>> The only area where I have some problems with the article, is that >>>>>>>> they made to big of a deal about activating voiceover through Itunes. >>>>>>>> This is not that hard since it is accessible on both mac and windows, >>>>>>>> and requires all of two seconds to do. Other than that, it's pretty >>>>>>>> good. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> John >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Apr 20, 2010, at 12:18 PM, marie Howarth wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi guys, >>>>>>>>> Thought I'd put this article out there for everyone to discuss. I >>>>>>>>> will be writing a blog on my opinions of this article shortly. But >>>>>>>>> here it is for you all to read. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It's an article done by the RNIB which is the national charity for >>>>>>>>> the blind in the UK. You need to download the article, its in word >>>>>>>>> format but will read on text edit and such on the mac. >>>>>>>>> thanks >>>>>>>>> http://www.rnib.org.uk/livingwithsightloss/computersphones/Pages/technology_news_reports.aspx >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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