Not only accessibility to screen readers, but total conflicts  with them.  I 
can bet that a lot of us have had to restart our screen readers within a flash 
pages as they crashed. 
On May 2, 2010, at 4:08 PM, Pete Nalda wrote:

> Haha!  Yes, good debate for sure.  I actually googled "Flash Being removed 
> from os X" and did come up with a "fake Steve Jobs Diary" tweet report on 
> techblips.com.  But no reference as to whether this was really true.  I think 
> it's a great debate, and something I think few people are willing to debate, 
> preferring to sweep it under the table.  Flash makes designing websites with 
> lots of dazzle fairly easy, but I think the Visually Impaired community are 
> the only ones who hate flash the most because of its' inaccessibility to 
> screenreaders.
> 
> On May 2, 2010, at 4:30 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Hey, I guess that just answered my question. It might just be replaced soon, 
>> though. Flash is getting old now, and we need a standard that is just 
>> implemented, doesn't require any third-party plugins to work like Flash 
>> essentially is, and doesn't crash your shit. That doesn't mean HTML5 can't, 
>> but at least, we can see what is actually on HTML5 pages and for good reason.
>> 
>> I just love starting these debates. Oops?
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Nic
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>> On May 2, 2010, at 11:24 PM, marie Howarth wrote:
>> 
>>> how are you accessing them anyway sarah? Flash content is not visible with 
>>> VO
>>> 
>>> On 2 May 2010, at 22:19, Sarah Alawami wrote:
>>> 
>>>> but how would twaudio work wiht out flash? you need to hit recording 
>>>> buttons in order to use it if you wanted to record directly from the 
>>>> website.
>>>> On May 2, 2010, at 2:16 PM, Kaare Dehard wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hello, any platform could be argued to be better without flash, it's a 
>>>>> processor pig, is proprietary, and isn't keeping up according to the 
>>>>> wisdom of today. From a vo user's point of view, and even ask the 
>>>>> linux-kids, windows is the only platform where it is marginally 
>>>>> accessible. Something like html5 and h.264 streamed videos would work any 
>>>>> and everywhere without a proprietary plug in or so I've been lead to 
>>>>> believe.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Just my thoughts.
>>>>> On 2010-05-02, at 5:00 PM, Edward wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hello 
>>>>>> I am new to the list and wondering why no flash is good news?  Is vo 
>>>>>> better
>>>>>> with other formats of streaming video?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>> Edward
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of marie Howarth
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 4:55 PM
>>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Flash removed from OS X?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> really? Where did you hear such great news? ;)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 2 May 2010, at 21:28, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  Hi,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  Whoa, that's like...allout. I'm not sure what to say. Did I expect
>>>>>> this? No.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  Well, if no one figured this one out, Flash support is apparently
>>>>>> being removed from OS X. I thought I'd be the first to post this. I don't
>>>>>> think anyone else has. Same reasons that were made public in Steve's 
>>>>>> letter
>>>>>> on thoughts on Flash.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  Regards,
>>>>>>  Nic
>>>>>>  
>>>>>>  
>>>>>>  
>>>>>>  
>>>>>>  
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