I feel sorry for the people who will loose their jobs. On Jun 5, 2010, at 12:22 PM, Courtney Curran wrote:
> I certainly agree. Yay, yay, no more overpriced, unfair JAWS. > Courtney > > On 05/06/2010, at 1:19 in the Afternoon, Olivia Norman wrote: > >> YAY! YAY! YAY! Goodbye Jaws! :) :) :) :) >> "Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower" Steve Jobs >> >> On Jun 5, 2010, at 9:42 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote: >> >>> Off topic, but I feel everyone will be interested especially those people >>> who run Fusion on their Macs. >>> >>> Begin forwarded message: >>> >>>> From: "Ibrahim Gucukoglu" <ibrahim_gucuko...@sent.com> >>>> Date: June 5, 2010 9:36:33 AM GMT+01:00 >>>> To: "Kawal Gucukoglu" <kawal_gucuko...@sent.com> >>>> Subject: Fw: [bcab] End of Freedom? >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin r. Howard" <co...@pobox.com> >>>> To: <b...@freelists.org>; <access...@freelists.org>; >>>> <av...@googlegroups.com>; <ntexpr...@googlegroups.com>; >>>> <jaws...@freelists.org> >>>> Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2010 1:30 AM >>>> Subject: [bcab] End of Freedom? >>>> >>>> >>>>> Greetings, >>>>> >>>>> I am posting the main text from a thread just seen on the Blind Audio List >>>>> which I am surprised not to have seen on the BCAB or AccessUK groups. >>>>> >>>>> Ought we to give much credence to this? >>>>> >>>>> I, for one, would welcome any comments from Sight and Sound. >>>>> >>>>> From: "Otto Zamora" <donttreado...@bellsouth.net> >>>>> Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 05:44:14 -0400 >>>>> >>>>> Morning, >>>>> >>>>> In an advocate meeting yesterday, the subject came up reference Freedom >>>>> Scientific, the company that among other things sports JFw. >>>>> Because the company is in the state of Florida, it came up on a flag by >>>>> an >>>>> analyst. >>>>> Seems this company is having bad money troubles, not surprising given the >>>>> economy, but talk is that they are now looking to sell off some of their >>>>> division, mainly their JFW area. >>>>> I am not sure who if anyone will buy this division, considering that there >>>>> is an entity now selling a fully integrated package for only $700. >>>>> Besides a comprehensive screen reader, if the user chooses to get the >>>>> package, there is a browser, along with a customed and fully accessible >>>>> web >>>>> sites, word processing, and E mail. >>>>> all of this can apparently be accessed either on line, or as individual >>>>> program. >>>>> ad to that, the entertainment mogill, and you have a powerful tool indeed >>>>> for the kind of money they are asking for. >>>>> Another side of the equation is the apple company, now selling computers >>>>> already with speech on board right out of the box and off the shelf. >>>>> Put these two aspects together, and you have a deadly combo that might >>>>> very >>>>> well result in a abrupt end to the JFW program. >>>>> Considering the way that technology is growing, older versions of JFW, >>>>> will >>>>> only work for a short while until the programs controlling the OS, begins >>>>> to >>>>> outgrow the application. >>>>> In seeing this package, one of the things which was pointed out to me, was >>>>> the learning curve, which for the new package being sold by Mr.. Mike >>>>> Calvo, >>>>> is very short. >>>>> The user has the option to learn as little or as much as they want without >>>>> real loss. From: "Alison Trelfa" <codamu...@uwclub.net> >>>>> Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 15:36:47 +0100 >>>>> >>>>> Hello, Otto, >>>>> >>>>> I wonder whether many jaws users would move to another speech program as >>>>> yet >>>>> as many of the packages that are not standard probably wouldn't be >>>>> supported >>>>> by the out of the box speech. I run Sonar and Sibelius 5.25, both of which >>>>> are using scripts that have been written by folk who specialise not only >>>>> in >>>>> Jaws, but only in the two programs. I suppose those people who only need >>>>> computers for basic commands may well get away with speech such as you >>>>> describe, but I don't think that Jaws would just be dismissed out of hand >>>>> because Freedom is going. I think Jaws has changed hands once before if >>>>> I'm >>>>> not mistaken? Correct me if I'm wrong there. >>>>> >>>>> I would be very sorry to see Jaws go under, but I'm not worried yet. There >>>>> is a huge following for Jaws and I believe that someone would take it >>>>> over. >>>>> >>>>> From: "Otto Zamora" <donttreado...@bellsouth.net> >>>>> Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 10:49:36 -0400 >>>>> >>>>> hi, >>>>> >>>>> You are correct, I am just stating that from what we were told, they are >>>>> having a hard time finding someone who will take on the project,especially >>>>> since as you point out, most people are not using anything that is high >>>>> end, and from what we also have heard, people are tired of having to pay >>>>> $1500 and change, when there now is a program which will do speech and >>>>> more >>>>> for only $700. >>>>> Given the economy, for many people, the sedition may be financial. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> From: Geoff Long <ge...@tisab.demon.co.uk> >>>>> Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2010 16:20:04 +0100 >>>>> >>>>> Hi Alison, I wonder how many JAWS users have to >>>>> pay for their own equipment. I use window-eyes, >>>>> which is considerably less expensive, and as I >>>>> had to pay for my training and kit from my own >>>>> pocket, it makes a big difference. >>>>> >>>>> From: "Dr Norman Waddington" <normanwaddington...@btinternet.com> >>>>> Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 16:36:22 +0100 >>>>> >>>>> Hi Geoff, >>>>> >>>>> I need no introduction to you on this list. >>>>> >>>>> I am a Jaws user and have paid all the way through out of my own pocket >>>>> from >>>>> version 3.5 methinks if I remember correctly. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> From: Anders Holmberg <and...@pipkrokodil.se> >>>>> Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2010 17:37:37 +0200 >>>>> >>>>> Hello! >>>>> Also we have nvda as a very good and free alternative. >>>>> And Hal or supernova which costs less money than jaws. >>>>> From: "Mike Stewart" <stewar...@verizon.net> >>>>> Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2010 10:58:45 -0600 >>>>> >>>>> The entry price is steep, but upgrades only run about $100-$140 or so... >>>>> >>>>> From: "Alison Trelfa" <codamu...@uwclub.net> >>>>> Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 21:31:33 +0100 >>>>> >>>>> Hi, Geoff, >>>>> >>>>> It is expensive to get jaws I agree with that. The problem I have is that >>>>> there are no other programs that support the music side as far as I know. >>>>> If >>>>> all programs worked as well as microsoft office or outlook express then I >>>>> think Jaws would really be struggling. Most of the other programs that I >>>>> know of don't support many programs apart from the basics. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> From Colin Howard, for whom a small place near Southampton in >>>>> Southern England, has the honour of providing a home. >>>>> To find out more about BCAB and the benefits that membership can bring, >>>>> please visit our website: >>>>> http://www.bcab.org.uk/ >>>>> >>>>> To manage your subscription to the BCAB mailing list, please visit our >>>>> website: >>>>> http://www.bcab.org.uk/mailing-list.html >>>>> >>>>> To discuss matters relating to the mailing list, please email >>>>> bcab-moderat...@freelists.org >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ____ >>> Kawal Gucukoglu >>> >>> (E-mail/MSN): >>> >>> kawal_gucuko...@sent.com >>> >>> (Skype ID): >>> >>> kawalgucukoglu >>> >>> (Mobile/Text): >>> >>> +447905618396 >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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