Hi Bryan,
Searching the Mail Archive is really much easier than doing the Google
Groups search. -- I can search what has been posted in the
macvisionaries list faster than I can search mail on my own computer
and get better results with less effort for a simple query than when I
use a Google serach. It supports Boolean arguments, wild cards, date,
ranges, etc. I don't even have to use most of these to get a good
result. Even better, it supports access key command searches that let
you read up and down the list by time or by thread. These work for
any browser, if you substitute the correct access key, For Safari
(with VoiceOver on), the access key is the Control key. That also
means that if I find a match I can read up or down the thread with
Control-N (for next post) or Control-P (for previous post). This cuts
through a lot of extraneous material. On high volume lists, I can
also read the list directly through the mail archive site when I'm
traveling or away from my computer. The default mode is threaded, but
I can switch to time ordered by using Control-I and then read through
with Control-B (back to previous post by time) or Control-F (forward
to next post by time). To go back to threaded mode by contents I use
Control-C. This is really very powerful, and I'd say that my most
effective use of the macvisionaries archive dates from discovering
that the list was archived at the Mail Archive and finding out about
the search and wild card options. For example, I can find any of your
posts by typing:
From:Bryan in front of my search terms.
HTH
Cheers,
Esther
Bryan Smart wrote:
Hi Esther.
I don't really see a problem with adding mail archive, except, why
is it needed? Google Groups already show up on many search indexes,
not the least of which is Google. Is there some other advantage?
I take your point about setting the list to not be public. I guess
that it doesn't happen as much with traditional listservs because
they aren't so easy to discover automatically with a computer
program. With closed lists, join requests must be manually approved,
and I hate adding too much admin work. Anyway, I'll do this for
ptaccess. Thanks again.
Bryan
-----Original Message-----
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
] On Behalf Of Esther
Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 4:48 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: New list for Pro Tools discussion [was Re: Pro Tools 8.0.4
is finally out]
Hi Bryan,
Can you please set up the new list so that it is archived at the
Mail Archive and searchable? Read the FAQ for how to do it:
<http://www.mail-archive.com/faq.html#newlist>
It only took about 10 minutes of fiddling back and forth to do this
for the vimacaudio list, with none of us knowing how this worked.
Since then, there's an extra step, so read the document. This will
save people having to repeat and type in questions many times, as on
the viphone list.
And please change the "anyone can join" status before you get
spammed by people looking to find Google groups they can join and
post to for advertising --- that's what happened when the
macvisionaries list started up, and it's why the list is not just
open.
Thanks,
Esther
On Jun 11, 2010, at 09:38, Bryan Smart wrote:
There is now a list for people that just want to discuss Pro Tools
from an accessibility perspective. It's hosted on the Google Group
PTAccess.
To directly subscribe, send an empty message to:
ptaccess+subscr...@googlegroups.com
The group's web page is here:
http://www.googlegroups.com/group/ptaccess
Presently, we only know of the 8.04 update for Pro Tools LE being
live
on Avid's site. MPowered and HD will soon follow, but Avid is just
releasing the update, so the others might take a few hours.
This update is for many other improvements besides just
accessibility,
so Avid is quite busy with getting it out there.
Please be patient.
Bryan
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