It's taken my machine down but that was before I realized how to get around it with out a restart. All in all voice over is the best thing since sliced bread. As for the time machine restores don't you need to use your restore disk in order to restore? I mean your system disk? I would not know as I don't use time machine at all.
S On Sep 2, 2010, at 3:44 PM, Scott Howell wrote: > Although you have some valid points, VoiceOver will improve and these issues > will be addressed. The big difference is that windows-based screen readers > have been around for quite a while, so admittedly they have a jump on > VoiceOver in some respects. However, what APple has accomplished in the last > five years is amazing. Give Apple five more years and I suspect VoiceOver > will exceed what the windows screen readers have done in the same period of > time. Of course you use what tools work best and no tool is perfect. THe one > thing I can say is that at least VO has not taken my machine down and that > alone makes me very happy. > On Sep 2, 2010, at 6:15 PM, William Windels wrote: > >> Hello, >> I want also to say something about this topic: >> >> Apple is doing great efforts to make their products accessible and macosx >> with voiceover is in global, working good. >> Also , the trackpad is a very nice feature that don't exist on windows >> computers for blind users. >> >> However, I have also some remarks: >> since 10.6, voiceover isn't that stable like in 10.5. >> Sometimes, voiceover is restarting while reading texts , I think because of >> some strange characters. >> But, this is not a big problem while comparing with windows and the >> screenreaders because they are also crashing sometimes. >> >> A bigger problem , in my opinion is that voiceover from apple is the only >> screenreader on the mac. >> >> I mean: since safari 5, the braille isn't working correctly in formfields. >> >> This problem can also happen of course on windows when a new release of a >> browser is installed but, on windows , there are at least 2 browsers that >> are fully supported by the most screenreaders: internet explorer, firefox >> and perhaps opera. >> >> firefox 4 (beta) isn't also accessible with voiceover after a first look. >> >> Also, the time-machine program, to restore e.g. a deleted folder from the >> past, isn't accessible with vo. >> The automatic backup system of timemachine works great! >> >> Pages, a great texteditor isn't also fully accessible : tables in pages are >> n't working with vo. >> >> The numbers application has not the same features as excel with a >> screenreader. >> Navigation in numbers is missing some important features. >> >> Also: the braille representation on the mac has not the same contort as on >> windows, I give 2 examples: >> The text on the brailledisplay isn't independent of the speech. so. in >> global, what the mac says, that will be shown on the braille display and >> revers. >> It makes it much more powerful if you can configure what to read in braille >> and what to hear. >> A second thing is the representation of controls on a braille display: >> They should give a option to configure how the representation of a radio >> button, a button, a dropbox/pull down menu, a checkbox, a link, should be >> shown on a braille display. >> The best solution here is to have language independent symbols for this kind >> of controls. >> Since some people have only a braille display of 12, 20 or 40 characters, it >> doesn't make sence to see only checkbox on your display. >> >> When I try to speak with other blind people about the mac and the included >> accessibility, the first question they ask is about particular programs they >> want to use. >> >> When I compare this about text processors, internet, spreadsheets , >> databases (ms access), powerpoints, chatting, listening to music..., not all >> of this tasks gives the same confort on a mac as on windows. >> >> Conclusion: I love the mac , osx is great but the accessibility is still a >> work in progress and, in my opinion, not at the same level of most windows >> screenreaders. >> >> >> best regards, >> William >> Op 2-sep-2010, om 22:47 heeft Mike Arrigo het volgende geschreven: >> >>> Just a few comments to add to this. First, I think gw-micro is a great >>> company and window eyes is a great product, I'm using it with my work >>> computer to write this message. With regard to supporting the web, at this >>> point at least, voiceover is actually ahead of window eyes, because it >>> handles the pages that change dinamicly. In window eyes, if a page changes >>> through something like java script, you must reload the browse mode buffer. >>> On the mac, as apple says, it just works. The new content is available as >>> you navigate the page. I know gw-micro is working on this, and I'm sure >>> once the work is done, it will work very well. Also, on a mac, you can >>> install a new version of the operating system completely and totally >>> without sighted assistance, with speech and or a braille display. This >>> cannot be done with windows. Of course, this is not the fault of gw-micro, >>> Microsoft gets the blame for that one, but I think it demonstrates the >>> commitment Apple has to accessibility. >>> >>> -- >>> Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. 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