Hi, Thank you. Restarting Safari helped.
Brandon On Mar 14, 2011, at 1:10 PM, Esther wrote: > Hi Brandon, > > I'm not seeing this problem of non-working access key shortcut combinations, > either in the previous version of Safari or with the newest update (version > 5.0.4 released three or four days ago). A few questions about your recent > Safari experience: Is it possible that either you or someone else started > your current Safari session with VoiceOver turned off? If you quit Safari, > and restart it (with VoiceOver turned on), do your access key combinations > work? If the last suggestion of quitting Safari and restarting it did not > bring back your access key combinations, try going to the web site for the > latest nightly build of Webkit at: > http://nightly.webkit.org/ > Download the version for the Mac, launch it instead of Safari, and check > whether your access key combinations work. Which version of Safari are you > running? The last release was on March 9, 2011, and was supposed to include > improved compatibility with VoiceOver on webpages with text input areas and > lists with selectable items, and also add general improved stability with > VoiceOver. > > Over two years ago, the developers or Webkit, which is the underlying engine > that Safari and other browsers like Opera use, decided to change the access > key for Safari from just the "Control" key to "Control+Option". (The > rationale was that some other software applications on the Mac use the > Control key for dedicated shortcuts, but that no programs were using the > Control+Option key combination. This gives you some insight into both why > Apple adopted these two keys as the VoiceOver keys, and the level of > visibility that VoiceOver had back in Summer 2008 that the developers weren't > aware of the conflict.) When this was pointed out in the bug report > feedback, and they were asked to please contact the people on the Apple > accessibility team for inputs, they replied, "There is no doubt that we need > to resolve the conflict with VoiceOver, now that we know about it." The fix > that they came up with was to have Webkit, and consequently, Safari, use the > Control key as the access key if VoiceOver is turned on when the browser is > first launched, but otherwise to use the Control+Option key as the access key > combination if VoiceOver is not on when the browser launches. So, if you > share use of your machine with a sighted user or users, you should all be > aware that the access key combination being used depends on whether VoiceOver > was turned on or off at the time the browser was launched. And yes, I do > know some people who are not visually impaired who use the access key > combinations as shortcuts to navigate the Mail Archive site, which serves as > the secondary archive for this list (and many others). It is much, much > faster and simpler to use than the Google Groups list archives, and I find it > easier to locate items of interest, and that I can also pinpoint the results > I want with fewer typed words in about ten times less searching time when I > use the Mail Archive (secondary archive) site for this list. > > You can bookmark the URL for the mail archive site for this list: > http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries%40googlegroups.com/ > > When you navigate to the text box for searching the archives, just type in > your search terms. (I'm currently using VO-Command-J to move to the text box > and then VO-Space before I starting typing search terms in Snow Leopard, but > there are other options depending on your navigation preferences and version > of Mac OS X.) You can use wildcards (like "*") in the your search terms, to > take into account misspellings and alternate words. You can also use Boolean > arguments, search for specific authors of posts, set date range, and sort the > order in which results are presented. For example, let's say I remembered > there was a discussion about OverDrive downloadable library audiobooks and I > wanted to find the posts that Bryan Jones made. I could type: > from:Bryan Overdrive > and press return to launch the search. If I move to the next heading > (VO-Command-H), I'll be told how many matches there are, and if there are too > many or too few, I can refine my search by modifying the search words, or I > can simply navigate on (VO-Right Arrow) to the results, which will be > presented in a fashion like Google search results, with a link that gives the > subject line of the post, then a short section of sampled text from the post > relating to the search terms, including the date of the post at the > beginning, and giving the author of the post (as a linked entry) at the end. > You could either browse through the excerpts before deciding whether or not > you want to read the detailed post, or you could simply activate the link > (VO-Space) and read it. > > Here's where the access key combinations of the Mail Archive site become > really useful: you can use them to quickly read up or down a thread. > Control-n (for "next") takes you to the next post in a thread, while > Control-p (for "previous") takes you to the previous post in a thread, so if > your search has taken you into the middle of a thread, you can find out the > context of the earlier discussion. These combinations work for any browser, > so someone reading the archives with Internet Explorer in Windows could use > Alt-n or Alt-p, and you can substitute the appropriate access key prefix for > other browsers and platforms. If you want to do a search on a particular > word combination, remember to enclose these search terms in quotation marks > like "access keys". Otherwise your search will pull up posts that reference > "access" and "keys" as separate terms. And if you want the results sorted in > date order instead of relevance, add a term like "sort:newest" or > "sort:oldest" to indicate how you want the results ordered (e.g., newest > matches first or oldest matches first). Don't put a space after the search > arguments like "from:" or "sort:" and their parameters, or the words will be > taken as search terms. > > You can also read the current list on the Mail Archive site from the web page > URL I gave. The default is to show posts with their subject links in > threaded mode, most recent threads listed first. You can change this to time > ordered mode, latest posts first, by using Control-i, and then use Control-b > to read earlier posts. Here are the access key combinations: > Control-n (Next) Later message by thread > Control-p (Previous) Earlier message by thread > Control-f (Forward) Later message by date > Control-b (Back) Earlier message by date > Control-i (Index) Chronological index > Control-c (Contents) Thread index > > For more information on the Mail Archive search options, see their Web site > FAQ: > http://www.mail-archive.com/faq.html#search > > For an old post that describes how the mail archive pages for this list are > organized, see this post: > • "Re: searching mail archives?" > http://www.mail-archive.com/discuss%40macvisionaries.com/msg46243.html > > Note that the material in this post was written 3 years ago, so there are a > lot more options for navigating web pages, but the detailed basic description > given there still applies. > > HTH. Cheers, > > Esther > > On Mar 13, 2011, at 08:46, Brandon Olivares wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Recently in Safari, access keys have stopped working. I would always use >> ctrl+(key), but on every web site I've been on where I know there are access >> keys, they are not working anymore. Has the modifier key been changed, or is >> this some bug in Safari? >> >> Thanks, >> Brandon Olivares >> www.thefulleffect.org - Healing the Whole Person >> Spiritual development and healing for all people > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. 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