Hi Jeff, As a test, I decided to log onto the site and look up weather for my city. I can either use vo-cmd-t to move directly to the table of values, or do a VO-f search for the word "normal." This takes me right to the field in question, with record temperatures right below it. Hard to believe we once reached 94º here in May… I rarely ever use the Item CHooser, instead relying on the VO-CMD-based shortcuts or the roter control, along with liberal application of the search command. Best, Zack. On May 13, 2011, at 3:23 PM, Geoff Waaler wrote:
> Hi Zack, > > Thanks for your post. It's reassuring that you use the > braille.wunderground.com site daily, but here again perhaps it depends on > what you want to read there. How, for example can you quickly ascertain the > normal and record temperatures In the JFW virtual viewer I can read the > entire forecast followed by these details. In Safari I must read one field > at a time, or perhaps get to what I want more quickly via the item chooser. > Group mode does not appear to buy me anything there, and the reader is > unavailable. > > I really hope there is a method I'm missing here, but to me sites such as > this one are much faster to navigate in Windows. > > Best regards. > Geoff > > > On May 13, 2011, at 5:27 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: > >> Hi Tony, >> I do agree, and see the potential usefulness of this sort of knowledge on >> occasions, such as the one JEff mentions. However, I must disagree with the >> overall impression that browsing with Safari is less productive than with >> JFW. It does take some getting used to, but in particular I consider group >> mode one of the best things that ever happened to accessible web browsing. >> I check the weather underground site mentioned every day, and find it no >> less useful with VO than under Jaws. Maybe it's all a matter of what you >> use the web for, I don't know, or a case of bad page design on some sites. >> Best, >> Zack. >> On May 13, 2011, at 2:14 PM, Tony Hernandez wrote: >> >>> Selection problems like this are part of Geoff's difficulty, as well as >>> mine. Also, while I don't mind using the VO DOM method of navigating, I >>> sometimes do want to have a sense of where one line ends and the next begins >>> for practical reasons. I think it would be quite an improvement if Apple >>> were to add this ability to VO on the web. >>> >>> Tony Hernandez >>> http://dutyofman.net/ >>> Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep His >>> commandments, for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every >>> work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether >>> it be evil. (Ecclesiastes 12:13-14) >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Shawn Krasniuk >>> Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 4:59 PM >>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: Virtual viewer in Safari >>> >>> Hey. I don't experience any problems here with Safari although sometimes it >>> doesn't let me select a word I can't spell or a website within another >>> website that I can't spell and copy it. And sure, I got kinda confused the >>> first time I used Safari with VO. I was used to navigating up and down >>> through a page as opposed to left or right, but now I'm used to it. It just >>> takes a little time I guess. >>> Also about the Auto Forms Mode in JAWS and how VO handles forms, there's >>> another screen reader for Windows called System Access and it lets you type >>> in forms without extra keys as well. I highly doubt that Window-Eyes will >>> develop something like this, as Freedom Science Fiction is famous for suing >>> people for stealing their ideas. >>> >>> Shawn >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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