Hi Mika, You know, that is absolutely amazing! I looked on EBay and Craig's list to see what 2009 MBPs with the same specs are going for, and there are people getting $800-900 for the things. that really surprised me, and yeah, it makes the sticker-shock on the MBA a little less staggering. :)
thanks for the Amazon suggestion, I hadn't thought of that. Cheers, Donna On Aug 26, 2011, at 9:31 AM, Mika Pyyhkala wrote: > Hi Donna, > > When I upgraded my Mac Mini I was able to easily sell the old one on Amazon > for almost the cost of the new one. Its neat with Amazon as you can find the > particular product you have, and click on e.g. I have one to sell, and you do > not have to type in the full description or supply photos, etc. I think it > sold with in 24 hours of posting if not faster. > > Best, > Mika > > -----Original Message----- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin > Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 9:15 AM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: going from an MBP to a MacBook Air > > Hi Neil, > > thanks for paying such close attention to my message, and for writing such a > great response. I actually picked up an MBA last weekend, and am inclined to > agree with you on all points. Happily this particular store actually carried > the models with the upgraded specs, so I was able to get that model without > ordering it online. I have to say, it's a pretty amazing little machine. > It's quite speedy--though I haven't really put it through all its paces yet > as I haven't transferred my data over. And the sound is amazingly good for > such a small device. I do notice a fairly significant difference in sound > between the MBA and my 13-inch MBP, but as you say, not so much of a > difference that it would impact my choice of machine. Now the only question > remaining is whether I feel rich enough to live without the $1700, especially > given that my 2009 MBP is working just fine. > Cheers, > Donna > > On Aug 25, 2011, at 4:39 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote: > >> Donna, >> >> Looking at this, I've owned the 15in MBP and all three of the Air's, the >> original incarnation and now the 2010 11in and the revised 2011 11in. >> >> Firstly sound, if you were looking at the original 13in Air, the sound was >> hopeless, with a mono single speaker I really didn't like that thing. >> >> The 11in 2010 and 2011 models though for me solve that. there's stereo baby >> built right in there, and although there's not much bass to talk of, the >> sound is clear and it packs a surprising amount of punch for its size. >> >> put against the 15in, its a notable difference in richness and output, but >> against the 13in MBP, I think less so. >> >> you do have the bass issue and if you like your tones, not just music but >> Alex etc to have that depth it might make you think, but I find that once I >> sit down in front of it, unless I'm working with my iMac along side the Air, >> which I do every now and then, you'll not notice it. >> >> Looking at this DVD business, lets see, presumably you're not watching DVD's >> in the class room etc, so why not just leave the USB drive for that in your >> hotel etc, I've seen you state that this lack of a DVD drive is a real >> issue, but only as you seem to watch films, well as someone else has said, a >> lot of it is downloadable now, you can also rip them, and finally, if you're >> like me, why should I pay to download something I own on disk, spend the >> additional $80 and get the super drive... leave it in your hotel room and >> you're good to go. >> >> I use my Air for everything when I'm not at a desk, and my iMac if I am. >> >> The issue that a lot of folk seem to be throwing up over spec and >> performance, you really need to ask yourself what you're going to be doing >> with it, I find my Air faster than my MBP 15in, which I had as a late 2010 >> model with full processor upgrade, I think a 2.9Ghz i7 with 4Gb of RAM. but >> you see most of what I do is word processing, e-mail and internet, oh and >> iTunes / watching DVD's. >> >> I carry my MBA all around the world with me, leaving the super drive in >> hotel rooms or my carry on in a plane if its a long flight. >> >> I personally think its really the way to go if you're seriously looking to >> lighten the load. >> >> there is an InCase sleeve for the 11in and 13in available from the Apple >> online store, I use this and think its great... for whoever asked that >> question. >> >> HTH. >> >> Neil Barnfather. >> On 15 Aug 2011, at 20:29, Donna Goodin wrote: >> >> Hi Mika, >> >> I believe there's a program called DVD Remaster that does that, though I >> haven't tried it. In the long-term, your definitely right, I suspect >> there'll come a time not all that far off when having a DVD drive will seem >> as obsolete as having a floppy drive does now. But for me anyway, that time >> hasn't quite arrived yet. But, as with Chris's mention of the lack of an SD >> card slot, this is a question of personal preference and usage. >> >> The processor question is a tricky one. The processor on the MBA is slower >> than that on the MBP. But the solid state drive should make up for a lot of >> the difference there. >> Cheers, >> Donna >> >> On Aug 15, 2011, at 1:15 PM, Mika Pyyhkala wrote: >> >>> As for a DVD drive, is it easy say to copy a movie over to the hard drive >>> of say a MacBook Air, so that you don't need a DVD drive on the road? >>> >>> I just am thinking of this as software increasingly moves to being acquired >>> through a platform like the Mac app store. >>> >>> I'm just not sure, for me, why it would be important now a days to have a >>> built in DVD drive? >>> >>> Things like the processor, sound, etc. are more important in the uses I >>> would tend to have. I'm not sure also on the MBA that just came out how >>> much of an improvement the processor is, etc. >>> >>> BTW I now have the 11 inch MBA (the model just before the most recent >>> release), bought in early 2011. I still found I mostly used Jaws, mainly >>> because I'm still more efficient browsing the web under Jaws and for >>> Qwitter, though I have not really spent the necessary time to learn the Mac >>> ways of doing things. >>> >>> >>> Best, >>> mika >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin >>> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 1:05 PM >>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: going from an MBP to a MacBook Air >>> >>> Hey Chris, >>> >>> Yeah, the lack of memory card is no big deal for me, I tend to use a USB >>> drive most of the time. The one that gets me is the lack of a DVD drive. >>> >>> That 11-inch Air is *reeeeeally calling my name. I would have given >>> anything to have it while I was in Hawaii last week, the MBP was just big >>> enough that I didn't feel like hauling it on the plane and all. I can see >>> why you're sticking with the MBP, though - it's definitely the more >>> powerful device. And I totally agree, if they ever combine the Air with >>> the iPad, I'd be all over it! >>> >>> I was originally thinking I'd replace the MacBook with the Air, but I can't >>> see going without a built-in DVD drive, at least not at this point. So I >>> don't know. In addition to the work stuff, I've got some more plane travel >>> coming up over the next few months, and it'd be nice to be able to take the >>> Air. I'd definitely use it, I know that, but it's a luxury, not a >>> necessity. Buuuut ... lol >>> Cheers, >>> Donna >>> >>> On Aug 15, 2011, at 12:49 PM, Chris Moore wrote: >>> >>>> Donna, >>>> >>>> One other thing to bare in mind if you are going for the 11inch model, is >>>> that it does not have a memory card reader. This is done via a USB dongle >>>> instead. Not sure if this is important to you. >>>> >>>> I must admit, the 11inch model is very alluring. >>>> >>>> I think I will stick with my Macbook Pro and iMac for now. If Apple are >>>> heading in the direction of merging both their operating systems, then I >>>> would expect to see a merged Macbook Air and iPad. Now that's the baby I >>>> want. A keyboard with a touch screen all in one. >>>> >>>> Chris >>>> On 15 Aug 2011, at 17:47, Donna Goodin wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Mika, >>>>> >>>>> The MacBoo Pro has some significant advantages. It has a bigger hard >>>>> drive, faster processor, can be upgraded with more memory, has built-in >>>>> ethernet, DVD drive, and SD card slot. As Ricardo pointed out, it also >>>>> has better sound. With the Air, you can connect to a DVD drive or ether >>>>> net via usb, but they're not built-in, so that's extra hardware you need >>>>> to haul around. The Air is a great portable device, but the MacBook is a >>>>> more powerful computer, with more features built-in. >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Donna >>>>> >>>>> On Aug 15, 2011, at 12:18 PM, Mika Pyyhkala wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> What are the primary advantages you see the the MBP (MacBook Pro) as >>>>>> opposed to the MBA (MacBook Air)? >>>>>> >>>>>> Just wondering if people appreciate more the ports, or if it is speed of >>>>>> the machine, etc? >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> Mika >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Blouch >>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 11:56 AM >>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>> Subject: Re: going from an MBP to a MacBook Air >>>>>> >>>>>> I've hauled the Macbook all over the place and didn't mind so much with >>>>>> the backpack. Maybe because the old computer bag was just so bad. Made >>>>>> the change when I was presenting at a conference (cough - CSUN) that >>>>>> could no longer fit in its venue and rented two hotels. Of course the >>>>>> session I wanted to attend would be in one and then I would present in >>>>>> the other then hike back to the first. Not that big a deal with the >>>>>> backpack. If I could just remember which pocket I put the network cable >>>>>> vs. the AC adaptor vs the displayport connector etc. >>>>>> >>>>>> CB >>>>>> >>>>>> On 8/15/11 11:12 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: >>>>>>> Hi Chris, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In the past, I've always felt as you do, that the MBP is very easy to >>>>>>> haul around. But unfortunately, I'm not just looking at schlepping my >>>>>>> MBP to and from work. Every class I teach is in a different building, >>>>>>> and all those buildings are different from the building where my office >>>>>>> is. So I'll be carrying it around most of the day, along with a >>>>>>> braille display. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I do think I've decided though that the Air can't replace my MacBook. >>>>>>> So I'll either be trying something like what you describe, or just >>>>>>> getting the low-end model and using it for times when I want a lot of >>>>>>> portability. >>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>> Donna >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Aug 15, 2011, at 10:09 AM, Chris Blouch wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Having shlepped my MacBook to work for many years I found that it >>>>>>>> wasn't that big a deal in a nice backpack. I used to use those >>>>>>>> computer bags with a shoulder strap but it started bothering my >>>>>>>> shoulder. I finally picked up one for cheap from Megamacs and have >>>>>>>> really liked it. Very comfortable and more pockets to lose things in >>>>>>>> :) Might be worth the $20 to find out. It's been several years now but >>>>>>>> the one I got is still available: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://www.megamacs.com/index.php?action=frameview&id=3566552 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Their cart UI doesn't move focus to the form input on each step so you >>>>>>>> have to slog around to find where the form is, but it does work. I >>>>>>>> guess it's no worse than many web shopping carts. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> CB >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 8/14/11 7:46 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: >>>>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Since I'm going to be schlepping my Mac around a lot for work in the >>>>>>>>> next several months, and possibly then some, I'm seriously >>>>>>>>> considering shelling out the $$ for an 11-inch MacBook Air. I'm >>>>>>>>> looking at one of the new ones, with all the specs maxed out. My MBP >>>>>>>>> is two years old, running a 2.53GHZ processor with 4G of ram. I'm >>>>>>>>> wondering if there's anyone on list who can give me an accurate >>>>>>>>> comparison of the user experience on these two models. A couple of >>>>>>>>> the things I'm wondering about are: >>>>>>>>> 1. Speed. How will day-today- use compare. My MBP has the faster >>>>>>>>> processor, but the Air has the solid state drive, which I assume will >>>>>>>>> compensate, at least to some extent. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 2. Sound quality? this won't be a deal breaker, but wondering how >>>>>>>>> the two compare. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If there are any other differences that people have experienced, >>>>>>>>> either good or bad, I'd love to hear. >>>>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>>>> Donna >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> P.S. 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