FYI: Skype does have blind VoiceOver beta testers, I was officially added as one of them a few days ago, I am plugged into system, betas, etc.
No, I cannot and will not comment on future betas, things that may be fixed, broken, etc. However, please post any/all issues you've experienced, would like to see fixed, or think would be great to have within this specific thread, and I will do what I can to ensure that the product managers, engineers, etc. nkow about them. Kevin On 12/15/11, Mr. L. Alexander <turningbyto...@gmail.com> wrote: > not to my knowledge. > > to be completely honest, my view on this is for a developer to design the > program elements in such a way they can be shifted to both mac and windows > but using each OS independent programming languages and their own compilers. > thus allowing each OS to create accessibility adaptations which don't > interupt or conflict. > > anyway this is now becoming a programming ethos and not skype accessibility > issue. so at this point...... I'm out! lol hehehehe > > lew > > On 15 Dec 2011, at 18:16, Chris Blouch wrote: > >> Is there such a cross-platform compiler system that supports >> accessibility? Most Mac developers I know of use XCode and so I'm not sure >> how this could be used with a common codebase. I know one developer who >> was using MonoTouch to make iOS and android apps and the iOS versions were >> pretty much totally inaccessible. >> >> I also disagree with Adobe's approach, but as for covering themselves for >> FCC compliance they might have a reasonable case to make. >> >> Do you know of a good cross-platform (Mac/Windows or iOS/Android) IDE that >> works with accessibility APIs? >> >> CB >> >> On 12/15/11 1:02 PM, Mr. L. Alexander wrote: >>> >>> A simple solution is this and it's something easy to manage. >>> >>> Where an application developer creates an application from scratch as an >>> example and intends to write for multiple OS architectures, Windows, Mac, >>> Linux, etc, >>> >>> The developer in most cases has 2 options. Either a universal custom >>> manguage allowing just one app to be created, then to be compiled to sub >>> platforms ( OS X, windows, linux, etc) or and this would be a much better >>> option. >>> >>> the developer of an app have a dedicated windows system and dedicated mac >>> system to use suitable programming languages which then give user >>> accessibility options based on the true OS on each host. thereby giving a >>> much cleaner approach to creating a market app. >>> >>> I completely disagree with adobe in their support infrastructure to >>> access technology. They're a company primarily based in design and >>> production tools and of course as part of their infrastructure use >>> plugins which the consumer uses such as adobe flash, shockwave, etc in >>> any website environment. not allowing us to gain access to the products >>> in question is their own problem but they will bring it upon themselves. >>> >>> Getting back to the developer side of things. >>> >>> I've been involved with a couple of companies over some time where >>> certain tools I use have been adapted to my needs. it's taken time but >>> luckily, the team I work with know where I'm coming from and what I need, >>> so implementation doesn't take long. it's emailed over to me or accessed >>> over server to check and then taken on as my tools of the trade. >>> >>> Where we stand to be honest is very carefully. the problem we have is >>> that our voices aren't heard nor understood. you get those in the IT >>> world who just don't grasp the situation, then there's the types who roll >>> out any old junk just to rake in the money. >>> >>> I hope and pray that one day, developers see us as real people with real >>> needs and not a burden on resources... no... not... "That's a lovely >>> burden you've got there" kind of thing. >>> >>> lol >>> >>> lew >>> >>> >>> On 15 Dec 2011, at 17:49, Chris Blouch wrote: >>> >>>> But what is the other extreme? Does a vendor need to support any >>>> platform they have an app for? What if they take the Adobe approach and >>>> support the IAccessible2 API which doesn't exit on Mac? Adobe could >>>> claim safe harbor because they did implement accessibility and it's >>>> Apple's lack of support of an open standard that makes it fail. Or >>>> should they be required to support a specific AT on each platform? That >>>> would work well for the Mac where VO is pretty much it, but on Windows >>>> or BlackBerry where AT is bolted on from a menu of different vendors, >>>> that could be untenable. Will be interesting to see how this plays out >>>> and if there are any unintended consequences. >>>> >>>> CB >>>> >>>> On 12/15/11 12:09 PM, Mr. L. Alexander wrote: >>>>> >>>>> if that were to be the case, that in itself is product exclusion and >>>>> discrimination to users relying on the mac. >>>>> >>>>> lew >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 15 Dec 2011, at 17:07, Chris Blouch wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I wonder what impact the new FCC notice of proposed rule making will >>>>>> have for accessibility in communications apps. Will any email or chat >>>>>> app have to be accessibly implemented on at least one platform? So if >>>>>> they make Skype work with Jaws on Windows does that mean they don't >>>>>> have to do anything for VO on OSX? >>>>>> >>>>>> CB >>>>>> >>>>>> On 12/15/11 5:58 AM, Mr. L. Alexander wrote: >>>>>>> Even though we're a small group (thanks for highlighting my comment) >>>>>>> we still have rights of equality and access. it's just a question of >>>>>>> working in partnership with developers, even if it means becoming >>>>>>> beta testers officially and having direct input. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Mr. L. Alexander. >>>>> Free Macs For The Blind. >>>>> E-Mail: freemacsfortheb...@mac-access.net >>>>> Direct line: 07936 877500 >>>>> Twitter: @macsfortheblind >>>>> >>>>> Free Macs For The blind is a charity project supplying older but >>>>> working apple macs for blind and visually impaired people throughout >>>>> the UK FOR FREE! >>>>> >>>>> Do you have an old unwanted mac, any hardware, software, old PC's, etc >>>>> or a copy of outspoken 9.2 you would be willing to donate? please get >>>>> in touch. >>>>> >>>>> Mac Access Dot Net; The British Mac Accessibility Network, we're here >>>>> to help anybody disabled with anything Apple! >>>>> http://www.mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >>> Mr. L. Alexander. >>> Free Macs For The Blind. >>> E-Mail: freemacsfortheb...@mac-access.net >>> Direct line: 07936 877500 >>> Twitter: @macsfortheblind >>> >>> Free Macs For The blind is a charity project supplying older but working >>> apple macs for blind and visually impaired people throughout the UK FOR >>> FREE! >>> >>> Do you have an old unwanted mac, any hardware, software, old PC's, etc or >>> a copy of outspoken 9.2 you would be willing to donate? please get in >>> touch. >>> >>> Mac Access Dot Net; The British Mac Accessibility Network, we're here to >>> help anybody disabled with anything Apple! >>> http://www.mac-access.net >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > Mr. L. Alexander. > Free Macs For The Blind. > E-Mail: freemacsfortheb...@mac-access.net > Direct line: 07936 877500 > Twitter: @macsfortheblind > > Free Macs For The blind is a charity project supplying older but working > apple macs for blind and visually impaired people throughout the UK FOR > FREE! > > Do you have an old unwanted mac, any hardware, software, old PC's, etc or a > copy of outspoken 9.2 you would be willing to donate? please get in touch. > > Mac Access Dot Net; The British Mac Accessibility Network, we're here to > help anybody disabled with anything Apple! > http://www.mac-access.net > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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