Hi, Why do you think its a case of stepping on toes? I think its more a case of why bother if others are bothering for us? But on another note, narrator on windows 8 sounds like its gotten a shot in the arm. lol. For whatever that's worth. But I fear this is straying way off topic. :)
Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter & Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Dec 15, 2011, at 3:12 PM, Chris Snyder wrote: > Daniel, > It's because they don't want to step on the toes of Freedom Scientific, GW > Micro, Serotek or any of the other third party software developers who make > screen readers. That's why narrator is so bad. Microsoft has no interest in > making Windows accessible themselves. That's one of the main reasons I became > a Mac and IOS user. I will never again willingly pay the blind tax. > Friendly, > Chris > > -------------- > I'll believe corporations are people when Texas executes one. > > > > > > On Dec 15, 2011, at 1:05 PM, Daniel Miller wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I wasn’t talking about specific games, I was talking about the console >> itself. Since it’s running off of a windows-based kernel, I see no reason >> why they couldn’t just make the underlying UI accessible with speech for >> navigation around the consoles menus. >> >> >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]On Behalf Of Mr. L. Alexander >> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 1:05 PM >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Skype Accessibility >> >> exactly. >> >> trying to make an extremely GUI complex game accessible is too risky. OK add >> a screen reader protocol, then the millions of lines of code created to >> support it, then create a server for the screen reader to support itself and >> the game in question. then of course there's the detail of speech required. >> descriptions, actions, directions, etc. that in tandem with streaming data >> for both processes and graphical interfacing would require a higher >> processor, larger memory and in turn, higher spec components. >> >> Yes, I've always wanted to play the same games as others, but to be honest, >> I've not missed out. >> >> there's better things to do in life isn't there? >> >> living, falling in love, working, eating and everything else we are granted? >> >> lew >> >> On 15 Dec 2011, at 18:59, Missy Hoppe wrote: >> >> >> Agreed. While there are 1 or 2 modern video games I'd love to play: The >> Price is Right for example, I long ago accepted the >> fact that today's video games are simply too visual. It doesn't matter how >> accessible the console is if playing the game is >> all but impossible without vision. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: >> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On >> Behalf Of Ricardo Walker >> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 1:55 PM >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Skype Accessibility >> >> Hi, >> >> I think this is a bad example. I don't imagine the demand for accessibility >> by the blind is very high in regards to gaming >> consoles. I guess they could make the menus accessible for netflix and >> stuff like that though. But then you would have to >> throw in all television makers for discrimination as well. Its just >> ignorants. Discrimination in my opinion rings of >> something deliberate. >> >> Ricardo Walker >> rwalker...@gmail.com >> Twitter & Skype: rwalker296 >> www.mobileaccess.org >> >> On Dec 15, 2011, at 12:12 PM, Daniel Miller wrote: >> >> >> Microgarbage already discriminates in the first place. I know this is off >> topic, but take the Xbox 360, for example. That's >> not accessible to all users, only those with vision. By that I mean the >> dashboard (which is where you make any system >> settings changes, etc) isn't accessible. >> >> >> >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. L. Alexander >> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 11:09 AM >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Skype Accessibility >> >> if that were to be the case, that in itself is product exclusion and >> discrimination to users relying on the mac. >> >> lew >> >> >> On 15 Dec 2011, at 17:07, Chris Blouch wrote: >> >> >> I wonder what impact the new FCC notice of proposed rule making will have >> for accessibility in communications apps. Will >> any email or chat app have to be accessibly implemented on at least one >> platform? So if they make Skype work with Jaws on >> Windows does that mean they don't have to do anything for VO on OSX? >> >> >> CB >> >> On 12/15/11 5:58 AM, Mr. L. 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