OK can beat you on that. been using macs since 1995, stopped in 2001 for a while as outspoken was no longer supported or available so had to migrate to windows and learn a new screen reader interface (JAWS)
Back with the mac since 2007 and glad to be back with it. >From an engineer's level, there are things voiceover gives me access to with >the right software which makes life easier. certain custom made solutions I >can't mention here. I am able to run advanced tests with voiceover and get >exactly what I want. yes, voiceover in lion is full of holes, I still use snow leopard and it does what I need it to do and that's the important thing. The same is said in windows, Hardware diagnostics and advanced repairs are conducted on a windows platform as certain software I need and certain hardware I use won't run on the mac. so that's not much of a problem. you just have to diversify and balance out when you use one OS against another. I've been in the IT game long enough, especially in advanced systems diagnostics, circuit repairs, etc to know when an OS can be a pain. but that's the way of life for blind users. I'm going to say this again... Though in this world, blind and V.I users are looked upon as a minority to sighted users by quite a percentage, we still have to rely on these systems for the work. simple as that. think back to the days of braille slates and perkins. simple, annoying but still doable old days. We rely too much on technology. Depending on your usability and practical experience with OS X, voiceover, etc you'll see, like I do, strengths and weaknesses. I've worked with lion on my mum's workstation and have found disturbing issues I'm working on in connection with apple and let's just say, I'm sticking with snow leopard on my macbook pro. Does what I want. lew On 5 Jan 2012, at 21:09, Luca wrote: > I am using a mac since late 2010 and frankly have to say that i am > not going to switch to a mac with vo, too many bugs and things that > you cannot simply do with vo: advanced word processing, terrible > braille support, tinefficient web browsing (many sites simply dont > work with vo, and what about that busy bug in firefox? its making me > crazy), lots of bugs in non english standard voices, inability to > read the status bar in the main menu, and others. > Tell me some things that you cant do in windows an can do with vo in > mac.. i i cant find any... > Mr. L. Alexander ha scritto: >> amen. >> >> I fully agree. >> >> the trick of IT is getting the balance right. There are things windows can >> do that mac does differently and things that windows can't offer directly >> that mac does. each screen reader offers different levels of support and >> interoperability between OS and applications. >> >> For me, I've worked between windows, Mac OSS both old and X versions and >> linux. each OS and screen reader can offer different functionality. each has >> their strengths and weaknesses. Though I firmly stick to my mac and >> voiceover, I still have to work on occasions with windows. now more than >> ever with the use of adaptive hardware for system repairs and testing. >> >> so it's back to either jaws or window eyes or something like that to do what >> I need to do on a windows notebook. >> >> lol >> >> lew >> >> On 5 Jan 2012, at 15:29, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote: >> >>> I think its great that we can talk about our choices without getting hung >>> about who uses what. May this list continue in this spirit as in the past >>> we have weathered a number of conflicts. May be the list is maturing which >>> is very good to see. >>> >>> Kawal. >>> >>> On 5 Jan 2012, at 02:00 PM, Garth Humphreys <ghu...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi >>>> >>>> I also use Zoomtext on my work PC. I have had my MBA for the past few >>>> months. In a lot of ways I love the machine however I also have had some >>>> issues. >>>> >>>> Firstly, how much zoom do you use? I will regularly jump up to around 30 >>>> times depending upon what I am doing. The max zoom on the Mac currently is >>>> 20 times. Add to this the minimal colour options. Normal or reverse video, >>>> no brightness inversion or other more advance colour management in the >>>> zoom option. I should say that there is also contrast control. >>>> >>>> I have also come across an extremely annoying bug when using VO with Zoom. >>>> You can't navigate the menu bar properly with the keyboard. It can be done >>>> with the track pad or by turning down the zoom level though. There are >>>> also a couple of keyboard shortcut conflicts between zoom and VO. . >>>> >>>> I have basically given up on using the Zoom component on the Mac. I will >>>> qualify this a bit as not to mislead. I didn't plan on using zoom that >>>> much and so bought an 11inch rather than the 13inch MBA. However I did get >>>> a connector to hook it up to my 32 inch TV and have probably only done >>>> this once or twice. >>>> >>>> You can tell by the fact that I often use the zoom at 30 times that my >>>> vision is on the low side of usable :) I am using JAWS with Zoomtext on >>>> the PC. I also have MAGic but prefer Zoomtext. I haven't had the stability >>>> issues you describe with Zoomtext. >>>> >>>> The thing I most love about my mac is the physical hardware it's self. I >>>> would often prefer to browse the web on my iPad. >>>> >>>> Good luck with your choice. >>>> >>>> Garth >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 04/01/2012, at 10:05 AM, Chuck wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hello everyone, >>>>> I'm seriously considering switching to a Mac Mini from PC. >>>>> I intend to use both the zoom and voice over programs. >>>>> I am currently using a PC with Windows 7 and zoom text as my >>>>> magnification and reading software. >>>>> I would like to hear from those of you who have made the switch. >>>>> What pitfalls should I look for? Are there any trade-offs? >>>>> In your opinion after making the switch which is the better system? >>>>> Why? >>>>> Thanks. >>>>> Chuck >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> Mr. L. Alexander. >> Free Macs For The Blind. >> E-Mail: freemacsforthebl...@mac-access.net >> Direct line: 07936 877500 >> Twitter: @macsfortheblind >> >> Free Macs For The blind is a charity project supplying older but working >> apple macs for blind and visually impaired people throughout the UK FOR FREE! >> >> Do you have an old unwanted mac, any hardware, software, old PC's, etc or a >> copy of outspoken 9.2 you would be willing to donate? please get in touch. >> >> Mac Access Dot Net; The British Mac Accessibility Network, we're here to >> help anybody disabled with anything Apple! >> http://www.mac-access.net > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > Mr. L. Alexander. Free Macs For The Blind. E-Mail: freemacsforthebl...@mac-access.net Direct line: 07936 877500 Twitter: @macsfortheblind Free Macs For The blind is a charity project supplying older but working apple macs for blind and visually impaired people throughout the UK FOR FREE! Do you have an old unwanted mac, any hardware, software, old PC's, etc or a copy of outspoken 9.2 you would be willing to donate? please get in touch. Mac Access Dot Net; The British Mac Accessibility Network, we're here to help anybody disabled with anything Apple! http://www.mac-access.net -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
