Agreed, I think this will definitely be a staple of all major screen readers in the future.
Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter & Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Jan 4, 2012, at 10:47 PM, Alex Hall wrote: > A good point. I guess I mean that, now that it is here, it is a > feature that will quickly become a staple; if something is > inaccessible, you can now ocr it and usually end up making it > accessible despite itself. > > On 1/4/12, Ricardo Walker <rwalker...@gmail.com> wrote: >> lol, >> >> short coming? It was only a short coming as of what, 2 months ago? It is a >> nice feature but I wouldn't call the lack of it a short coming. JMO. >> >> Ricardo Walker >> rwalker...@gmail.com >> Twitter & Skype: rwalker296 >> www.mobileaccess.org >> >> On Jan 4, 2012, at 8:28 PM, Alex Hall wrote: >> >>> I feel it is only fair to mention that jaws13 and the development versions >>> of nvda both include OCR, so a scanned image can be read for the most >>> part. VO does not have this feature, and I think it would be a good idea >>> for those who would find it useful to email accessibil...@apple.com to >>> point out this shortcoming. >>> >>> Have a great day, >>> Alex (msg sent from my iPod) >>> mehg...@gmail.com; //facebook.com/mehgcap >>> >>> On Jan 4, 2012, at 19:57, Joanne Chua <shuang.an...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> As a newish user of mac, and someone who rely heavily on PDFs for >>>> research and work purposes, i haven't come across any pdf issue. i >>>> suppose something we need to understand, the issue is not with >>>> screenreader itself, is with the image of the pdf itself. If you have >>>> a scann image pdf file, regardless you use jaws, windoweyes, nvda, >>>> system access or voiceover, unless you have an OCR, otherwise the >>>> problem will still exist. However, i must say, from my pass months >>>> experience, voiceover and include the IOS Voiceover, seems to be the >>>> best screen reader when dealing with pdf. >>>> It is not fair to compare Jaws or NVDA with Voiceover. you are kind of >>>> comparing orrange and lemon, deciding what is better for you. >>>> Regardless of what the arguements are, Jaws does slow things down >>>> rapitly. You won't realize until you have a sighted person uses the >>>> same computer as you do, turn your screenreader off, and have a go on >>>> that. Even in some case, NVDA is more faster and supirial compare to >>>> jaws. >>>> Same with any other screen reader, it does slow things down, just >>>> depends on if its in 0.001 second for voiceover or 1.00 second for >>>> jaws. >>>> >>>> Just my 0.2 sense of thoughts >>>> >>>> Cheers >>>> Joanne >>>> >>>> On 05/01/2012, matthew Dyer <matthewd...@columbus.rr.com> wrote: >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> I have been using my mac mini full time for quite some time now and I >>>>> fimnd >>>>> it to be useful for what I do even though there times I still wish I had >>>>> a >>>>> pc for things like sauving captches in firefox since ff is not >>>>> accessible on >>>>> the mac and never will be I gather. I am still try to get dropbox to >>>>> work >>>>> on this machine here and have not been secessful so far. it would also >>>>> be >>>>> nice to have a pc around for playing around with vinux, but that is a >>>>> small >>>>> thing since i can not afford vmware fusion at the moment. Just my >>>>> thoughts. >>>>> >>>>> Matthew >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Jan 3, 2012, at 8:22 PM, Missy Hoppe wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Very well said. I've had my mac since may, and although I've recently >>>>>> become far more fond of Itunes than my bank account is >>>>>> comfortable with, I just don't use it for daily tasks. I just can't get >>>>>> comfortable with any of the word processing options, >>>>>> and since I've been using a PC for close to 25 years, I'm always going >>>>>> to >>>>>> be more comfortable on a windows platform. One of >>>>>> my favorite activities, especially while I'm unemployed, is playing >>>>>> games, >>>>>> and while I'm thrilled that the RS games client >>>>>> works on the mac, there aren't any other options. I'm still hoping for >>>>>> a >>>>>> truly accessible mud client; if atlantis is >>>>>> accessible, I sure haven't figured out how to make it speak >>>>>> automatically. >>>>>> My other major task is writing/editing a story I've been working on for >>>>>> several years now. I just can't get comfortable >>>>>> working on my files using the mac, so just keep using good old wordpad >>>>>> on >>>>>> the PC. >>>>>> Since it cost me so much money, I have chosen to use the mac for things >>>>>> that either don't work or I don't want to mess with >>>>>> on my PC: adium, skype, itunes, and a couple of other similar things >>>>>> that >>>>>> I can't remember at the moment. I figure that the >>>>>> mac is a lot easier to fix if something goes wrong, and that's >>>>>> definitely >>>>>> something I'll give Apple credit for; you can >>>>>> install the operating system without any sighted assistance, and with >>>>>> carbon copy cloner and time machine, it's easy to >>>>>> restore your machine on the off chance that something catastrophic >>>>>> happens. Another thing that I really love about the mac is >>>>>> Growl. It essensially reads things that happen in the system tray: >>>>>> changes >>>>>> in dropbox files for example. That's 1 thing my PC >>>>>> can't do, or if it can, I don't know how to set it up, so the mac is >>>>>> really awesome in that respect. >>>>>> With all that being said, however, while I certainly like my mac a lot >>>>>> more than I did when I first bought it, to be >>>>>> perfectly honest, there's still a rather big part of me that regrets >>>>>> the >>>>>> purchase. I eventually hope to get bootcamp and/or >>>>>> VM fusion up and running, but so far, that just hasn't happened. >>>>>> I hope this makes at least a little sense and that it helps you in your >>>>>> decision. Sadly, I can't comment on the large print >>>>>> side of things, but I've become moderately comfortable with using >>>>>> Voiceover. Good luck in whatever decision you make, and I >>>>>> hope this helps you out at least a little. >>>>>> Missy >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex Hall >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 8:01 PM >>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>> Subject: Re: Switching to a Mac from PC >>>>>> >>>>>> I got a Mini after hearing nothing but great things about the Mac and >>>>>> VoiceOver. I can honestly say that I regret the >>>>>> decision. I never understood editing, my system seemed sluggish >>>>>> compared >>>>>> to NVDA with Windows, and web browsing is slow on >>>>>> the Mac when using vo. Also, a lot of what I do on the pc is audio >>>>>> gaming, >>>>>> and not so much as a good, accessible version of >>>>>> Solitaire is available on the Mac, let alone shooting, strategy, or >>>>>> other >>>>>> intensively audio games. >>>>>> I am still willing to admit that a good, long skype session with >>>>>> someone >>>>>> who is an experienced Mac user may help me, but as >>>>>> of right now I almost never boot into Mac, using the Windows half of my >>>>>> dual-booting mini almost exclusively. If you do >>>>>> switch, make sure to either set up bootcamp or a virtual machine so you >>>>>> can run Windows, because I can pretty much promise >>>>>> that you will still be using Windows for a while after you start >>>>>> playing >>>>>> with the mac. Sorry to be so negative, but that's my >>>>>> experience so far. >>>>>> >>>>>> On 1/3/12, Red.Falcon <velocity.focu...@virginmedia.com> wrote: >>>>>>> Hi Chuck! >>>>>>> Although I do not use windows and never have! >>>>>>> I have seen posts about the zoom and one thing the Mac cannot do is >>>>>>> change colours! >>>>>>> So its black on white or vice vursor! >>>>>>> hth Colin >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 4 Jan 2012, at 00:05, Chuck wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hello everyone, >>>>>>>> I'm seriously considering switching to a Mac Mini from PC. >>>>>>>> I intend to use both the zoom and voice over programs. >>>>>>>> I am currently using a PC with Windows 7 and zoom text as my >>>>>>>> magnification and reading software. >>>>>>>> I would like to hear from those of you who have made the switch. >>>>>>>> What pitfalls should I look for? Are there any trade-offs? >>>>>>>> In your opinion after making the switch which is the better system? >>>>>>>> Why? >>>>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>>>> Chuck >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Have a great day, >>>>>> Alex (msg sent from GMail website) >>>>>> mehg...@gmail.com; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups >>>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups >>>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups >>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >> > > > -- > Have a great day, > Alex (msg sent from GMail website) > mehg...@gmail.com; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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