Colin,

I have gone through all 13 categories and I can not locate the option you 
reference.  I will check again.  Apple definitely removed the Jump option, as 
it is not in the category list, I also checked with VO H-H.

Les
On Jun 21, 2012, at 1:58 AM, Red.Falcon wrote:

> Hi there!
> OK When you open the menu to select which command you wish to use instead of 
> going to the navigation sub menu at or  near the bottom should be the Jump 
> sub menu!
> If it is not there maybe Apple have removed or renamed it!
> It should also turn up if you call up VO commands with VO+H+H
> hth Colin
> 
> On 21 Jun 2012, at 05:17, Les Kriegler wrote:
> 
>> I am using Lion and in the Keyboard Commanders table, I do not see an option 
>> for Jump Submenu.
>> 
>> Les
>> On Jun 20, 2012, at 7:25 PM, Red.Falcon wrote:
>> 
>>> Sorry this could be my fault!
>>> Try picking the go to top most item and the bottom most item from the Jump 
>>> sub menu instead and see if that works!
>>> Sorry about that Its been a long time since I made them!
>>> Colin
>>> 
>>> On 21 Jun 2012, at 00:08, Les Kriegler wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Okay, I think I have go to visible end selected.  But here is additional 
>>>> info.  If I go to the bottom of the message list, then Option 1 does not 
>>>> work.  If I go to the top of the message list, then Option 2 does not 
>>>> work.  So I am stumped.  I'll have someone eyeball this and see what they 
>>>> notice.
>>>> 
>>>> Les
>>>> On Jun 20, 2012, at 6:55 PM, Red.Falcon wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> The only thing I can think of is you might have picked the wrong item in 
>>>>> the menu! There is the go to End and go to most visible end!
>>>>> Just check which one you have!
>>>>> And if you got the right option of command I do not know why it is not 
>>>>> working for you!
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 20 Jun 2012, at 23:50, Les Kriegler wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Okay, I set up the actions and for some reason, only one works.  So in 
>>>>>> other words, I interact with the Messages Table and issue the go to top 
>>>>>> of messages list with Option-1.  Then if I immediately issue the Option 
>>>>>> 2 command, I go down the list, but don't reach the bottom.  What have I 
>>>>>> missed?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Les
>>>>>> On Jun 20, 2012, at 6:31 PM, Red.Falcon wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> OK Yes there is the trackpad option as well!
>>>>>>> But if you want the Keyboard version here it is!
>>>>>>> I'll do it as if someone needs it from the beginning!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 1, Open VoO utility with VO+f8
>>>>>>> You should be on General scroll across to the [allow voiceover to be 
>>>>>>> controlled by applescripts ] check box and check it!
>>>>>>> 2, press command+8 and this will take you to the commanders, and go and 
>>>>>>> select the Keyboard commander tab!
>>>>>>> 3, you can enable keyboard commander, then next you can choose which 
>>>>>>> option key you wish to use! [it should be on the right one by default]
>>>>>>> 4, now you can go to the table of shortcuts [and there will be some 
>>>>>>> already there] like option+T for the time and option+S for safari!
>>>>>>> Next to the table is the add button select it!
>>>>>>> 5, The 1st field is where you put the key you wish to use [have the key 
>>>>>>> in mind]because it must be put in 1st!
>>>>>>> 6, Next is the menu of commands you want to use!
>>>>>>> So pick the Navigation sub menu and if you want to set the option to go 
>>>>>>> to the top and stay in the same column pick the [go to most visible top 
>>>>>>> or for the end most visible end!
>>>>>>> hth colin
>>>>>>> On 20 Jun 2012, at 22:58, Traci wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I as well use control-option-shift home or shift-end.  Since I'm on a 
>>>>>>>> macbook Air, I need the function key.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> After a while, I found all these buttons annoying, so i use the 
>>>>>>>> trackpad commanders and set up shift-flick-down to go to top and 
>>>>>>>> shift-flick-up to go to the bottom.  So much easier.  :)
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Traci
>>>>>>>> Sent by Macbook Air Mail
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Jun 20, 2012, at 2:38 PM, Lisette Wesseling wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Ok well that doesn't work for me. I wonder what I've got screwy in my 
>>>>>>>>> mailbox. I still can't see my on my mac mailboxes. So something is 
>>>>>>>>> very weird with mine.
>>>>>>>>> How did you set up those short cuts.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On 21/06/2012, at 8:58 AM, Red.Falcon wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Hi there!
>>>>>>>>>> That command works here OK! I'm using a Wireless Keyboard so need 
>>>>>>>>>> the FN key as well!
>>>>>>>>>> So I hold the FN+VO with my left hand and do Shift+left/right arrows 
>>>>>>>>>> with my Right!
>>>>>>>>>> Also I've got a Keyboard shortcut to do the same thing! So all I do 
>>>>>>>>>> is press right option+1 to go to top and 2 for the bottom!
>>>>>>>>>> That command is set to keep me in the same column so if I start in 
>>>>>>>>>> Subject I stay in Subject!
>>>>>>>>>> hth Colin
>>>>>>>>>> PS. I'm still on Snowy Kitty!
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On 20 Jun 2012, at 21:44, Lisette Wesseling wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>>> Is there a way of quickly getting to top of message table in mail?
>>>>>>>>>>> When I do vo, fn shift left arrow, I get to a button called "select 
>>>>>>>>>>> by date menu button". I'm still at the bottom of the message table. 
>>>>>>>>>>> I can obviously arrow up but that takes a while with a large 
>>>>>>>>>>> mailbox.
>>>>>>>>>>> Any suggestions? I'm on a macbook pro hence the need for the fn key.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Lisette
>>>>>>>>>>> 
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