Now that I can reliably go to the top and bottom of the message list in my inbox, I offer the following suggestion. You must make certain you are interacting with the messages table for this to work. If you hear something like "sort by date", it is likely you are not interacting with the table. Another quirk I have seen is even when I am in a messages list and I interact with what I think is the Messages Table, on occasion, VO reports that I am interacting with the Sender of the highlighted message, even though I am supposedly in a messages list. I don't know why this occurs, but thought I'd pass it on. As long as VO reports that you are interacting with the Messages Table, you should get reliable results when moving to the top and bottom of the messages list. My thanks to Colin for alerting me to use the keyboard commander, as I'd much rather use Option 1 and Option 2 than VO-Shift-Up arrow or Down Arrow which is the default keystroke in Lion to go to the top and bottom of the messages list. BTW, those default keystrokes also only work if you interact with the messages table.
Les On Jun 21, 2012, at 1:58 AM, Red.Falcon wrote: > Hi there! > OK When you open the menu to select which command you wish to use instead of > going to the navigation sub menu at or near the bottom should be the Jump > sub menu! > If it is not there maybe Apple have removed or renamed it! > It should also turn up if you call up VO commands with VO+H+H > hth Colin > > On 21 Jun 2012, at 05:17, Les Kriegler wrote: > >> I am using Lion and in the Keyboard Commanders table, I do not see an option >> for Jump Submenu. >> >> Les >> On Jun 20, 2012, at 7:25 PM, Red.Falcon wrote: >> >>> Sorry this could be my fault! >>> Try picking the go to top most item and the bottom most item from the Jump >>> sub menu instead and see if that works! >>> Sorry about that Its been a long time since I made them! >>> Colin >>> >>> On 21 Jun 2012, at 00:08, Les Kriegler wrote: >>> >>>> Okay, I think I have go to visible end selected. But here is additional >>>> info. If I go to the bottom of the message list, then Option 1 does not >>>> work. If I go to the top of the message list, then Option 2 does not >>>> work. So I am stumped. I'll have someone eyeball this and see what they >>>> notice. >>>> >>>> Les >>>> On Jun 20, 2012, at 6:55 PM, Red.Falcon wrote: >>>> >>>>> The only thing I can think of is you might have picked the wrong item in >>>>> the menu! There is the go to End and go to most visible end! >>>>> Just check which one you have! >>>>> And if you got the right option of command I do not know why it is not >>>>> working for you! >>>>> >>>>> On 20 Jun 2012, at 23:50, Les Kriegler wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Okay, I set up the actions and for some reason, only one works. So in >>>>>> other words, I interact with the Messages Table and issue the go to top >>>>>> of messages list with Option-1. Then if I immediately issue the Option >>>>>> 2 command, I go down the list, but don't reach the bottom. What have I >>>>>> missed? >>>>>> >>>>>> Les >>>>>> On Jun 20, 2012, at 6:31 PM, Red.Falcon wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> OK Yes there is the trackpad option as well! >>>>>>> But if you want the Keyboard version here it is! >>>>>>> I'll do it as if someone needs it from the beginning! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 1, Open VoO utility with VO+f8 >>>>>>> You should be on General scroll across to the [allow voiceover to be >>>>>>> controlled by applescripts ] check box and check it! >>>>>>> 2, press command+8 and this will take you to the commanders, and go and >>>>>>> select the Keyboard commander tab! >>>>>>> 3, you can enable keyboard commander, then next you can choose which >>>>>>> option key you wish to use! [it should be on the right one by default] >>>>>>> 4, now you can go to the table of shortcuts [and there will be some >>>>>>> already there] like option+T for the time and option+S for safari! >>>>>>> Next to the table is the add button select it! >>>>>>> 5, The 1st field is where you put the key you wish to use [have the key >>>>>>> in mind]because it must be put in 1st! >>>>>>> 6, Next is the menu of commands you want to use! >>>>>>> So pick the Navigation sub menu and if you want to set the option to go >>>>>>> to the top and stay in the same column pick the [go to most visible top >>>>>>> or for the end most visible end! >>>>>>> hth colin >>>>>>> On 20 Jun 2012, at 22:58, Traci wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I as well use control-option-shift home or shift-end. Since I'm on a >>>>>>>> macbook Air, I need the function key. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> After a while, I found all these buttons annoying, so i use the >>>>>>>> trackpad commanders and set up shift-flick-down to go to top and >>>>>>>> shift-flick-up to go to the bottom. So much easier. :) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Traci >>>>>>>> Sent by Macbook Air Mail >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Jun 20, 2012, at 2:38 PM, Lisette Wesseling wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Ok well that doesn't work for me. I wonder what I've got screwy in my >>>>>>>>> mailbox. I still can't see my on my mac mailboxes. So something is >>>>>>>>> very weird with mine. >>>>>>>>> How did you set up those short cuts. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 21/06/2012, at 8:58 AM, Red.Falcon wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi there! >>>>>>>>>> That command works here OK! I'm using a Wireless Keyboard so need >>>>>>>>>> the FN key as well! >>>>>>>>>> So I hold the FN+VO with my left hand and do Shift+left/right arrows >>>>>>>>>> with my Right! >>>>>>>>>> Also I've got a Keyboard shortcut to do the same thing! So all I do >>>>>>>>>> is press right option+1 to go to top and 2 for the bottom! >>>>>>>>>> That command is set to keep me in the same column so if I start in >>>>>>>>>> Subject I stay in Subject! >>>>>>>>>> hth Colin >>>>>>>>>> PS. I'm still on Snowy Kitty! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 20 Jun 2012, at 21:44, Lisette Wesseling wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>>>>>> Is there a way of quickly getting to top of message table in mail? >>>>>>>>>>> When I do vo, fn shift left arrow, I get to a button called "select >>>>>>>>>>> by date menu button". I'm still at the bottom of the message table. >>>>>>>>>>> I can obviously arrow up but that takes a while with a large >>>>>>>>>>> mailbox. >>>>>>>>>>> Any suggestions? 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