True. I have not tried Pages, but I hear it is mostly accessible, more than MS can say about their solutions. I guess I'm just tired of everyone thinking they need Office in order to be productive... On 28 Jul 2012, at 15:38, William Windels <william.wind...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello Alex, > in my opinion, we shouldn't accept that we can't work toghetter with oter > sighted users because of the inaccessible or low featured editors. > I think personally that Apple should build only apps that are fully > accessible with their own accessibility rules in mind,(exepting bugs of > course since we are all humans ;) ). > When you convert a doc(x) to a rtf, for shore you will lose lay-out > functionality. > > And Microsoft, they won't make accessible programs out of the box in the next > years I think. > > That's my opinion. > > kind regards, > William Windels > Op 28-jul.-2012, om 16:01 heeft Alex Hall <mehg...@gmail.com> het volgende > geschreven: > >> The way I see it, you have one other choice: only use Mac! If you have a doc >> or docx file, will converting it to rtf, then saving it in that format, >> solve the problem? I suppose this isn't a surprise, though, as no two >> editors do things the same way, so compatibility in all aspects of >> formatting is probably never going to happen. I'm okay with moving away from >> a massively expensive and slow program like Office and using lower-cost one >> like Pages, or free ones like Textedit. Maybe we can help stop the monopoly >> Office has over anyone wanting to do wordprocessing... >> On 28 Jul 2012, at 09:42, William Windels <william.wind...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Hello all, >>> This is perhaps a late response but I found this a interesting discussion >>> and I wasn't able to answer before because of holidays. >>> >>> What's most frustrating for me is that we can't edit office-documents of >>> others without distroying the made lay-out. >>> The only option here should be to use ms office for mac but this isn't >>> accessible at all, right? >>> Also with pages, it seems not compatible with some (basic) lay-out tasks of >>> ms office documents. >>> >>> So, to solve this, we should use windows or wate until??? >>> >>> Kind regards, >>> William Windels >>> Op 24-jul.-2012, om 15:17 heeft Daniel McGee >>> <danielmcgee...@googlemail.com> het volgende geschreven: >>> >>>> Hi Johnny, here is the direct homepage for Bean. >>>> http://www.bean-osx.com/Bean.html >>>> >>>> I will now try to describe how you download and install it. >>>> Note two things. Once you understand how to install an app on the Mac, >>>> then it will apply to most apps that you want to use. With the exception >>>> of sometimes there being installers for some apps for the Mac but what I'm >>>> about to try to describe to you will probably be the most common >>>> situation. Another note. I am using OSX Lion so if it differs from >>>> previous Mac OS versions then I apologise but I reckon it shouldn't be all >>>> that much different. >>>> >>>> Ok lets use the website above as an example for you to install Bean and >>>> try it out for yourself! By the way it is a free app as you may probably >>>> notice. Once you go to the website, look for a link that called Download >>>> Bean. Once you've found it, do a VO space bar on it to start the download. >>>> Afther you've done this quickly press Command option L this will open the >>>> download dialog box. Chances are that if this does;doesn't happen i.e. the >>>> dialog box doesn't come up, it has been in my experience that it has >>>> already downloaded. However, if you catch the dialog then just wait for it >>>> to disappear and that should of downloaded it too. >>>> Now we have downloaded the DMG short of for Disc Image note you will find >>>> that this is a common thing that you will notice when downloading apps. >>>> Anyway we now need to get to this DMG. Chances are that by default it >>>> should be in your download's folder. A quick and nice easy way to get to >>>> it is to issue the keystroke Command Shift H. This will take you to your >>>> home directory. Once your there, locate the download folder and open it >>>> with command O. In there there should be an item called Bean install. Open >>>> this again with command O. there should be two times in there but what you >>>> want is the one called Bean.app if it just says Bean then you haven't >>>> gotten your file extensions enabled for you to reconize what extension >>>> your dealing with but trust me its an .app extention. If you want I'll >>>> tell you about how to enable that in another post but for now you want to >>>> copy this and place it in the application's folder. Copy command is >>>> Command C. Now close all your finder windows till you get to the desktop >>>> and to get to the application folder its simply a command shift A >>>> keystroke now paste the app in with command V and Bang! Its installed! The >>>> final thing you need to do is eject the disc image from the desktop this >>>> can be done with command E. Now go back to the application folder and open >>>> bean with Command O. A dialog box should pop up but just hit ok or >>>> whatever it it says. I can't remember now but once you dismiss that box, >>>> you will be in the bean application. Oh and to quit it, that is Command Q >>>> once your done messing around getting a feel for the word processor. >>>> >>>> I really hope this gets you going with downloading apps! I know at 1st it >>>> seems a weird way to install apps but I've had a Mac now about half a year >>>> and have come to think its a easier and simpler way to work with >>>> programmes than windows. That's just an opinion though. >>>> >>>> Enjoy! >>>> >>>> Daniel >>>> >>>> On 24 Jul 2012, at 13:12, William Windels wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hello Johnny, >>>>> The right link is: >>>>> Download Bean >>>>> >>>>> If the link is not responding, try to save the source of the link with >>>>> the save as option. >>>>> >>>>> Hope this helps, >>>>> kind regards, >>>>> William Windels >>>>> Op 24-jul.-2012, om 08:17 heeft Johnny Angel! het volgende geschreven: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi! >>>>>> >>>>>> Well I too went to rosie's page and I found an executable install link >>>>>> for Bean. I first did a cmd+enter on it and something happened, but I >>>>>> couldn't tell you what. Then I tried a VO+spacebar and got a file not >>>>>> found on this server with a 404 error page. So lets face it. I think I >>>>>> need to come to grips with myself and admit that I am in need of some >>>>>> serious downloading help. Wouldn't you say so? I really don't know if I >>>>>> actually downloaded anything or not. you see, my so called State-paid >>>>>> instructor set my Macbook up and never taught me anything. I remember >>>>>> finding a database program recommended by this wonderful group, but he >>>>>> couldn't tell me how to get it installed on my MBP. Anyway, please don't >>>>>> be too surprized if you feel a little sorry for me, - I frankly don't >>>>>> blame you. <grinn >>>>>> >>>>>> Okay, enough silly stuff here. I would really like it if someone would >>>>>> be kind enough to help me with downloading and installing programs on my >>>>>> Mac. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks much, >>>>>> >>>>>> Johnny >>>>>> >>>>>> On Jul 23, 2012, at 5:52 PM, Alex Hall wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I went to Rose's site, http://www.chicksdigmacs.net, and searched for >>>>>>> "bean". It came right up, complete with a download link. I haven't >>>>>>> tried it yet, but that's how I will next time I boot into mac. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 7/23/12, Stacey Robinson <stacey...@bellsouth.net> wrote: >>>>>>>> Daniel, >>>>>>>> Where can I get this app. What do I search for? >>>>>>>> Stacey and Chesley >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Jul 23, 2012, at 2:56 PM, Daniel McGee wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi Alex, well I use a free app called Bean and it works for me. I >>>>>>>>> mainly >>>>>>>>> got it because Text Edit can't display your word count and tell me how >>>>>>>>> many pages I have written. Where as with Bean all I have to do is one >>>>>>>>> simple keystroke and I get all the info in a dialog box. I have also >>>>>>>>> been >>>>>>>>> able to save in that app in .doc word format and go between windows >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> Mac at college and home. I like both systems and I'm very glad I found >>>>>>>>> this app. It also regularly updated too and I think the developer is >>>>>>>>> aware >>>>>>>>> of us Voiceover users because he fixed some labels that wern't >>>>>>>>> correct in >>>>>>>>> 3.8 and were supposively reporting there correct status in 3.9 LOL I >>>>>>>>> didn't even know what labels he was referring to but it was mentioned >>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>> the change log so I assumed it was done. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Anyway hope this helps. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Daniel >>>>>>>>> On 23 Jul 2012, at 19:26, Matthew Campbell wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi. >>>>>>>>>> Try VO T to check formatting. >>>>>>>>>> If it doesn't work, try highlighting the text first and then use VO >>>>>>>>>> T. >>>>>>>>>> HTH, >>>>>>>>>> Matthew Campbell. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 2012-07-23, at 1:42 PM, Alex Hall wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Okay, I wondered if format support would ocme into it. Still, from >>>>>>>>>>> what I hear, any file formatted in one program will likely not be >>>>>>>>>>> formatted correctly in another, so I don't see this as specific to >>>>>>>>>>> Textedit. Headers and footers are things I never use, but I can see >>>>>>>>>>> how lack of support would be limiting to other users. When using vo, >>>>>>>>>>> is there a command equivalent to ins-f, to read formatting? I use >>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>> command to check centering, font, and other attributes. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 7/23/12, Erik Burggraaf <e...@erik-burggraaf.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> You know, for most practical purposes, it can. I haven't really had >>>>>>>>>>>> good >>>>>>>>>>>> luck getting tables to work, but i'm still back on sl. Hopefully >>>>>>>>>>>> things >>>>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>>> improved in two years, lol. I've certainly submitted professional >>>>>>>>>>>> reports >>>>>>>>>>>> with it, and had them look reasonably attractive. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> By the way, text edit's filetype support isn't very good. If you >>>>>>>>>>>> have a >>>>>>>>>>>> form >>>>>>>>>>>> done up in word format, text edit will import it but pooch the >>>>>>>>>>>> formatting. I >>>>>>>>>>>> have to use open office writer for that sort of job, and writer >>>>>>>>>>>> irritates >>>>>>>>>>>> me. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Have fun, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ERIK burggraafEbony ConsultingI am currently on the road and >>>>>>>>>>>> staying >>>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>> touch on my handheld. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Alex Hall <mehg...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>>>>>>> I have a stupid question. I was looking at Textedit yesterday, and >>>>>>>>>>>> found it supports lists, tables, bolding, justification, centering, >>>>>>>>>>>> and so on. So, except for embeding images, what can MS Office, >>>>>>>>>>>> Libre >>>>>>>>>>>> Office, or Open Office do that Textedit cannot? Basically, why the >>>>>>>>>>>> need for a more powerful editor when this one seems to have it >>>>>>>>>>>> covered >>>>>>>>>>>> pretty well? I always hear variation of, "the mac is fine unless >>>>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>>>> want to actually get work done", and I was wondering about >>>>>>>>>>>> Textedit, >>>>>>>>>>>> so I had a look, and it seems quite capable. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> Have a great day, >>>>>>>>>>>> Alex (msg sent from GMail website) >>>>>>>>>>>> mehg...@gmail.com >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>>>>> Groups >>>>>>>>>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>>>>>>>>> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>>>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>>>>> Groups >>>>>>>>>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>>>>>>>>> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>>>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> Have a great day, >>>>>>>>>>> Alex (msg sent from GMail website) >>>>>>>>>>> mehg...@gmail.com >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>>>>>>>> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>>> Groups >>>>>>>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>> Groups >>>>>>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups >>>>>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Have a great day, >>>>>>> Alex (msg sent from GMail website) >>>>>>> mehg...@gmail.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Not of this world, >>>>>> I am born of The forty-second generation >>>>>> A new, powerful race, never seen before. >>>>>> >>>>>> Wish to join? 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