I'm not sure what to say here. I use a conversation view and I explicitly collapsed all threads to begin with and I use standard view with the preview pane completely closed. I can arrow up and down the message list and use the left and right arrows to collaps and expand conversations with no trouble. I always interact with the message table and then I can use VO-J to toggle back and forth between the list of mail boxes and the message list for the currently selected mail box.
On some rare occasions, I have run into a situation where the right arrow key would not open a conversation for me. I then had to fumble around cycling VO off and back on and maybe jump around between mail boxes or something to correct the situation. Sorry I don't have a specific correct step for fixing this but it has happened few times for me. On Aug 1, 2012, at 7:27 AM, Christopher-Mark gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote: > Actually, I think you mean vo+left. If you go to the top with vo+home, or > for that mind, fn+vo+left arrow, then start moving to the right, you're not > gonna see it. Technically, vo+home or the above mentioned command, doesn't > literally take you to the top of the window. I mean ok, it does, but it > doesn't. It does, in the since that there really isn't usually anything to > the left you'd ever really need to fool with, regardless the window, but > generally, if you wanna get to the actual close button, zoom button, etc. you > have to go to the top, then vo+left, at which point you'll hit the zoom > button. > > Another way is to go to the window menu in the menu bar, then hit the zoom > option. Be careful though doing this, as it actually can have weird effects > if you're not careful. > > Chris. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Alex Hall > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2012 9:27 AM > Subject: Re: utterly in barest: question about mail Olmac OS X 10.8 Mountain > lion > > It is almost always one of the first buttons in a dialog. Just go to the top > of the window and vo-right until you find it. > On Aug 1, 2012, at 9:17 AM, Kliphton <kliph...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> What and where is the zoom button? >> On Aug 1, 2012, at 1:49 AM, Lisette Wesseling <lisettewessel...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Have you tried pressing the zoom button? >>> On 1/08/2012, at 2:12 PM, Chris Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> as I stated in my initial message, yes. I have tried this as well. I have >>>> tried VO\, right arrow, VO right arrow, the oh space I have literally >>>> tried everything. Nothing seems to be doing the trick. Even closing and >>>> reopening mail, restarting voiceover, and even going as far as to restart >>>> my entire MacBook nothing is working. >>>> >>>> thanks, Chris. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On Jul 31, 2012, at 10:07 PM, Alex Hall <mehg...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I, too, use ML in standard view. I interact with the table, but I close >>>>> mail so rarely that this is not a hastle. You mentioned disclosure >>>>> triangles. Have you tried vo-backslash yet? It seems unnecessary since >>>>> the right arrow should work, but it may help in the meantime. >>>>> On Jul 31, 2012, at 9:55 PM, Chris Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> yes, I most certainly have. Remember, we are not talking lion, nor snow >>>>>> leopard here. We are speaking specifically 10.8 Mountain lion. also, >>>>>> remember, I first am not interacting with the message list table. I >>>>>> simply VO right arrow over to it, and then use my up and down arrow keys >>>>>> to move through the list of messages. I do not first interact. I do not >>>>>> look at each column of the message list table individually like some >>>>>> people do. I did try interacting however, just to see if it would work. >>>>>> It did not. there has got to be someway to expand that disclosure >>>>>> triangle, but I just cannot figure it out. restarting voiceover, did no >>>>>> good, neither did restarting mail. Furthermore, restarting my entire Mac >>>>>> did absolutely no good. I am quite sure that there should be a fairly >>>>>> easy solution to this problem, I just am drawing a mental blank on what >>>>>> that solution would be. Normally, I am extremely good with this type of >>>>>> stuff, however I must say, this time, I am completely baffled. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>> On Jul 31, 2012, at 9:49 PM, Alex Hall <mehg...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I use right arrow just fine. I know this is basic, but have you tried a >>>>>>> restart? Maybe start with closing and re-opening mail? >>>>>>> On Jul 31, 2012, at 9:43 PM, Chris Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> okay. Now, I feel incredibly humiliated, not to mention utterly >>>>>>>> embarrassed! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> the very email thread that may have answered this question, I deleted >>>>>>>> thinking was completely irrelevant to me at the current time. I am >>>>>>>> currently using the Standard view of mail. I am 100% certain that I am >>>>>>>> not set to the classic view. I know exactly how to switch it however >>>>>>>> if I need to. I furthermore have disabled the option to Group related >>>>>>>> messages. usually, I do not interact with the message list table. I >>>>>>>> simply VO right Aero over to it, and then just use my up and down >>>>>>>> arrow keys to move through the list of messages. If I want to read an >>>>>>>> email, I didn't press VO J to jump to the message body and begin >>>>>>>> reading. excuse me. Siri totally messed that last sentence up. I was >>>>>>>> trying to say I then press VO J to jump to the body of the message and >>>>>>>> begin reading. got a love dictating on an iPhone! LOL! frankly, I'm >>>>>>>> lazy, and do not feel like going back and editing. Sorry. Anyway… I >>>>>>>> have conversation thread view enabled. whenever I see a thread that >>>>>>>> has multiple conversations with in it, say, two conversations, or >>>>>>>> more, I cannot for the life of me figure out how to expand the >>>>>>>> conversations. I have tried hitting just the right arrow key, VO right >>>>>>>> Aravind, pressing VO\, and more, to absolutely no avail. I haven't >>>>>>>> even gone so far as to press VO space on the email thinking that that >>>>>>>> would expand, however that also did absolutely no good. what is the >>>>>>>> best method for doing this. I love my conversation thread view! I used >>>>>>>> it on a very regular basis and lion. I never thought that I would see >>>>>>>> the day I would like using mail that way, but I >>>>>>>> actually swear by it! if there is a conversation thread that I do not >>>>>>>> wish to read, I can simply hit the delete key on the topmost node of >>>>>>>> the thread, and just like that: Bam! The whole thread is now gone. >>>>>>>> absolutely brilliant! As of now, I have disabled thread view until I >>>>>>>> can get a more concrete answer on the best method for doing this. I >>>>>>>> hope that this feature has not been broken in Mountain lion from a >>>>>>>> voiceover perspective. That would royally suck, if so. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> again I am quite positive that this question has already been >>>>>>>> answered/addressed, however I was a stupid idiot and deleted the >>>>>>>> thread without first thinking that later it might be relevant to me. I >>>>>>>> feel like a total fool. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> anyway, thank you for your help. I promise I will try to be more >>>>>>>> careful with my email in the future going forward. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Chris. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Have a great day, >>>>>>> Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) >>>>>>> mehg...@gmail.com; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Have a great day, >>>>> Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) >>>>> mehg...@gmail.com; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > > > Have a great day, > Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) > mehg...@gmail.com; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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