Well, I don't know why this matters, but my friend Ben and I found the
problem. I wasn't interacting first with the messages collumn group. NOr
was I under that interacting with the messages list.
I simply would open up mail, and would automatically be placed in the
messages list, and just up and down arrowed... not vo+up and down, but just
up and down. Once I interacted with things, then did left and right arrows,
it worked. Now that I've done it one time, I can go back to my old way of
doing it just with the plain arrow keys and it works as well.
Kind a weird, but, whatever.
Chris.
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From: "Steve Holmes" <steve.holme...@gmail.com>
To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2012 4:53 AM
Subject: Re: utterly in barest: question about mail Olmac OS X 10.8 Mountain
lion
I'm not sure what to say here. I use a conversation view and I explicitly
collapsed all threads to begin with and I use standard view with the preview
pane completely closed. I can arrow up and down the message list and use
the left and right arrows to collaps and expand conversations with no
trouble. I always interact with the message table and then I can use VO-J
to toggle back and forth between the list of mail boxes and the message list
for the currently selected mail box.
On some rare occasions, I have run into a situation where the right arrow
key would not open a conversation for me. I then had to fumble around
cycling VO off and back on and maybe jump around between mail boxes or
something to correct the situation. Sorry I don't have a specific correct
step for fixing this but it has happened few times for me.
On Aug 1, 2012, at 7:27 AM, Christopher-Mark gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Actually, I think you mean vo+left. If you go to the top with vo+home, or
for that mind, fn+vo+left arrow, then start moving to the right, you're
not gonna see it. Technically, vo+home or the above mentioned command,
doesn't literally take you to the top of the window. I mean ok, it does,
but it doesn't. It does, in the since that there really isn't usually
anything to the left you'd ever really need to fool with, regardless the
window, but generally, if you wanna get to the actual close button, zoom
button, etc. you have to go to the top, then vo+left, at which point
you'll hit the zoom button.
Another way is to go to the window menu in the menu bar, then hit the zoom
option. Be careful though doing this, as it actually can have weird
effects if you're not careful.
Chris.
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From: Alex Hall
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2012 9:27 AM
Subject: Re: utterly in barest: question about mail Olmac OS X 10.8
Mountain lion
It is almost always one of the first buttons in a dialog. Just go to the
top of the window and vo-right until you find it.
On Aug 1, 2012, at 9:17 AM, Kliphton <kliph...@gmail.com> wrote:
What and where is the zoom button?
On Aug 1, 2012, at 1:49 AM, Lisette Wesseling
<lisettewessel...@gmail.com> wrote:
Have you tried pressing the zoom button?
On 1/08/2012, at 2:12 PM, Chris Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:
as I stated in my initial message, yes. I have tried this as well. I
have tried VO\, right arrow, VO right arrow, the oh space I have
literally tried everything. Nothing seems to be doing the trick. Even
closing and reopening mail, restarting voiceover, and even going as far
as to restart my entire MacBook nothing is working.
thanks, Chris.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 31, 2012, at 10:07 PM, Alex Hall <mehg...@gmail.com> wrote:
I, too, use ML in standard view. I interact with the table, but I
close mail so rarely that this is not a hastle. You mentioned
disclosure triangles. Have you tried vo-backslash yet? It seems
unnecessary since the right arrow should work, but it may help in the
meantime.
On Jul 31, 2012, at 9:55 PM, Chris Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com>
wrote:
yes, I most certainly have. Remember, we are not talking lion, nor
snow leopard here. We are speaking specifically 10.8 Mountain lion.
also, remember, I first am not interacting with the message list
table. I simply VO right arrow over to it, and then use my up and
down arrow keys to move through the list of messages. I do not first
interact. I do not look at each column of the message list table
individually like some people do. I did try interacting however, just
to see if it would work. It did not. there has got to be someway to
expand that disclosure triangle, but I just cannot figure it out.
restarting voiceover, did no good, neither did restarting mail.
Furthermore, restarting my entire Mac did absolutely no good. I am
quite sure that there should be a fairly easy solution to this
problem, I just am drawing a mental blank on what that solution would
be. Normally, I am extremely good with this type of stuff, however I
must say, this time, I am completely baffled.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 31, 2012, at 9:49 PM, Alex Hall <mehg...@gmail.com> wrote:
I use right arrow just fine. I know this is basic, but have you
tried a restart? Maybe start with closing and re-opening mail?
On Jul 31, 2012, at 9:43 PM, Chris Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com>
wrote:
okay. Now, I feel incredibly humiliated, not to mention utterly
embarrassed!
the very email thread that may have answered this question, I
deleted thinking was completely irrelevant to me at the current
time. I am currently using the Standard view of mail. I am 100%
certain that I am not set to the classic view. I know exactly how
to switch it however if I need to. I furthermore have disabled the
option to Group related messages. usually, I do not interact with
the message list table. I simply VO right Aero over to it, and then
just use my up and down arrow keys to move through the list of
messages. If I want to read an email, I didn't press VO J to jump
to the message body and begin reading. excuse me. Siri totally
messed that last sentence up. I was trying to say I then press VO J
to jump to the body of the message and begin reading. got a love
dictating on an iPhone! LOL! frankly, I'm lazy, and do not feel
like going back and editing. Sorry. Anyway… I have conversation
thread view enabled. whenever I see a thread that has multiple
conversations with in it, say, two conversations, or more, I cannot
for the life of me figure out how to expand the conversations. I
have tried hitting just the right arrow key, VO right Aravind,
pressing VO\, and more, to absolutely no avail. I haven't even gone
so far as to press VO space on the email thinking that that would
expand, however that also did absolutely no good. what is the best
method for doing this. I love my conversation thread view! I used
it on a very regular basis and lion. I never thought that I would
see the day I would like using mail that way, but
I actually swear by it! if there is a conversation thread that I do
not wish to read, I can simply hit the delete key on the topmost
node of the thread, and just like that: Bam! The whole thread is
now gone. absolutely brilliant! As of now, I have disabled thread
view until I can get a more concrete answer on the best method for
doing this. I hope that this feature has not been broken in
Mountain lion from a voiceover perspective. That would royally
suck, if so.
again I am quite positive that this question has already been
answered/addressed, however I was a stupid idiot and deleted the
thread without first thinking that later it might be relevant to
me. I feel like a total fool.
anyway, thank you for your help. I promise I will try to be more
careful with my email in the future going forward.
Chris.
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