Now that I have learned to put appointments on my calendar by writing "Meeting on 14 August at 15:00," for example, I have found no problems with calendar whatsoever. I do with when adjusting alerts that we didn't have to keep tabbing back to where we were in the event details scroll area, but that's my only real complaint.
I've noticed that my iCal events sync with Google Calendar but not my Google Calendar to my iCal (the list of holidays, for example, on Google Calendar, do not show up on my iCal, but my friend's calendar I share with her show up on both of my calendars [Google Cal and iCal]). Does anyone know why this might be? As concerns seeing a list of appointments in a list, I find that tabbing between appointments works very nicely for day, week, or month view, but I've not had much luck with the year view. Has anyone else experienced this? Harry On Aug 14, 2012, at 10:31 AM, Chris Moore <apple.geek.ch...@gmail.com> wrote: > That is the thing, the full list is present in the day view. > > I could understand if some of the table and row stuff was actually relevant, > but you don't hear iOS reading it all out, and I can't find a way to switch > it off. > On 14 Aug 2012, at 16:52, Steve Holmes <steve.holme...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> In a day view like this, wouldn't the list only be events for that >> given day? I was looking for a list of all available appointments >> regardless of what day it is. It would just sort them in >> chronological order like it does on IOS. >> >> You seem to have a lot of criticisms for the calendar ap. I don't >> mind most of it. I think some of the verbosity you are complaining >> about may be a good thing for those who might wonder. What I don't >> like in so many other situations is someone excluding information from >> the screen reader or the screen reader arbitrarily excluding >> information because someone thinks it would matter to us. I'd rather >> have it all and allow us ad individuals to turn off some of the extra >> verbage if we want to. Sometimes that extra verbosity helps me >> navigate around in an unfamiliar set of controls for example. >> >> On 8/14/12, Teresa Cochran <vegaspipistre...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> My personal preference would be to use the Reminders app for appointments. >>> >>> Teresa >>> >>> On Aug 14, 2012, at 7:19 AM, Chris Moore <apple.geek.ch...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> You have to switch to day view to see a list. Personally I think a list >>>> view should be added to the toolbar. >>>> >>>> I wrote to Apple expressing my disappointment with Calendar and felt it >>>> should be more intuitive, be more iOS like and require less interacting. >>>> >>>> This is my observation of the app as you explore, starting with the >>>> toolbar: >>>> >>>> There is the toolbar which you can interact with. I think another view >>>> should be added to the calendar view switcher. I think there should be a >>>> "List View". This would make the calendar behave more like iOS. I also >>>> think the Today button should be moved to the toolbar as well as a button >>>> for invitations and for adding a new calendar. >>>> >>>> After you stop interacting with the toolbar, there is the vertical >>>> splitter (why do we need to care about this? I would rather not hear VO >>>> announce this. I can appreciate it is there for when you bring the list >>>> of calendar types into view. Perhaps calendar view should actually be >>>> moved to the view menu at the top of the window. There could be an entry >>>> called Calendars, with a sub menu which you can then place a tick against >>>> the calendar or calendars you which to be be visible such as all >>>> calendars, home, work, birthdays etc. >>>> ) After the vertical splitter, VO says "Friday, 10 August 2012, year, >>>> Calendar area" (this is the date of myself writing this message, and I had >>>> the year view selected) ). I think it would sound better if VO rad all >>>> this out as "Today is the 10th of August 2012, Year view is selected". >>>> >>>> Next, as long as you do not interact with the calendar area, there is a >>>> horizontal splitter, yet again, why does VO even need to know this? >>>> >>>> I have my calendar currently set to year view, so let's interact with it >>>> and explore that. >>>> >>>> The first item is the previous year button, and the next item is the >>>> today button, should this not say what the current year is? for example >>>> 2012? No matter which view I use, the today button is always read out >>>> which is not relevant when in month or year or week view, this should >>>> behave more like iOS. . The next element is next year button. >>>> >>>> Next is The 2012 (or whichever year you have selected). VO tells you this >>>> is a grid and tells you how many rows and columns there are. Is this >>>> relevant? and why do we even need to interact with this grid? Should it >>>> not be visible by default? This is one of my biggest complains about the >>>> calendar app, there are too many levels to interact with. Can you imagine >>>> how popular google search would be if you had to follow 6 hyperlinks >>>> before you finally got to the search box? >>>> >>>> After interacting, I am told by VO that I am on August, and that is the 8 >>>> of 12 and lists the number of columns and rows within that month. Again, >>>> is this relevant? do we really need to know how many rows and columns can >>>> be found inside August? and do I need to be told it is month 8 of 12? >>>> >>>> Next we have to interact with August to see each of the days. Now this >>>> bit I think Apple got right, as you don't want to have to listen to every >>>> entry for every month, it is nice being able to skip over months and >>>> simply only interacting with the month you require. >>>> >>>> Ok, so I have now interacted with the month of August and I am still in >>>> year view. and I move to 14, and VO tells me this is a Tuesday (great as >>>> we never got this in the past) but it also tells me I am on 16 of 42. Why >>>> is the 16 of 42 relevant? . I have an event on the 14th August, but VO >>>> has not announced anything about this when I move my VO cursor over the >>>> 14th (I am using the VO keys plus arrows left and right to move the VO >>>> cursor). I would like VO to say at least 1 event listed, press VO plus >>>> space to view the event. When I do press VO + space (even though there >>>> was no hint to do so) I finally hear a pop up which displays my event, and >>>> then I hit escape to make it go away. There is no option within the pop up >>>> to then list the event in full or be able to edit the event, these options >>>> would be useful. >>>> >>>> Ok that is the year view, let's look at month view. >>>> >>>> the first element is previous month and the next month is today (which >>>> should say the current month, in my case is August), then we have the next >>>> month button.. Next follows "August 2012 grid, 5 rows 7 columns" again, >>>> why do I need to know the number of rows and columns? and why do I have to >>>> interact with the grid? it should be visible by default. . After >>>> interacting, I land on 30 July which is a Monday. and voiceover announces >>>> "1 event list", maybe it would be better if VO said "1 event" to be >>>> consistent with iOS. This is good though, as in month view you are >>>> informed you have an event listed when you move the VO cursor over the >>>> day, as I mentioned earlier VO does not announce this when in Year view. >>>> The next thing VO tells me after announcing the event, that I am on 1 of >>>> 35. Yet again, do I really need to know I am on 1 of 35? >>>> >>>> I am now going to explore the week view. As usual we have the previous >>>> button and in this case it is the previous week button. There is then the >>>> today button, I would rather this was text that said the date of the week >>>> I am looking at and the week number in the year would b a nice touch too. >>>> There is the next week button after that. The next item confuses me some >>>> what, as it is called the dates group and when you interact with it you >>>> can do very little apart from hear day headers. Seems absolutely useless, >>>> so I think VO should not even see this. The next item is the week grid >>>> which you can interact with and see each of the days for that week. You >>>> then have to interact yet again to see the contents of each of the days to >>>> establish if any of them are holding events. Get rid of the dates group, >>>> and make it so the week grid is interacted with by default. and then when >>>> you interact with each of the days it will not seem so bad. We also yet >>>> again do not need to know about row and colin numbers etc. >>>> >>>> Let's now look at day view. We have the usual previous day button, then >>>> the today button (should this not actually say what the actual day >>>> selected is? So in my case, it should say "30 July 2012". Then we have >>>> the next day button. Next I then hear "all day events, empty scroll >>>> area", this is another thing I can interact with and then is the current >>>> day I have listed, this seems to be in the wrong place for me and should >>>> have been on the today button. Then you finally get to the list of >>>> events. Would it not be much simpler to have the list of events for that >>>> day only (including all day events)? When in an all day event mode, I >>>> would like to be able to move my cursor between the different hours of the >>>> day to see what is where and when, in the same way this can be achieved in >>>> iOS when looking at day view or using other calendar apps such as Outlook >>>> for example. >>>> >>>> My final complaint is a bug I have found when creating a new event. First >>>> of all when creating a new event, it seems like we are forced into >>>> creating a quick event, but what if you want to be more detailed? When you >>>> are finally able to interact with the inspector, I have noticed a focus >>>> issue bug when selecting the time of the reminder. If I change it from the >>>> default of 30 minutes to something else, my VO cursor is thrown up to the >>>> location field. I then have to work my way down again and then if I say >>>> select the type of alert I would like, either a message and or sound etc, >>>> I am then thrown back up to the location field, I then make my way back >>>> down to select the sound I would like to hear when I am notified of the >>>> reminder, after selecting I am thrown back up to the top. This is an >>>> ongoing loop every time I try to change one of the settings within the >>>> inspector. >>>> >>>> Chris >>>> >>>> On 14 Aug 2012, at 13:42, Steve Holmes <steve.holme...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I have a question about the list of appointments possible in Calendar. >>>>> On IOS devices, you can see a full list view of all appointments, past >>>>> and present in a single view. I was thinking since Mountain Lion's >>>>> approach in many apps is more closely similar to their IOS counterparts,, >>>>> that list could be shown on the Mac as well. Alas, I haven't been able >>>>> to do that. Is a single list of all events even possible on the Mac? I >>>>> can get a list within a specific period of time like week or month view >>>>> but I would like to see the list like I can on my iPod. >>>>> >>>>> Any ideas? >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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