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Thank you kindly, Christopher-Mark Gilland. Founder of CLG Productions Blog: http://www.clgproductions.org Podcast: http://clgproductions.podhoster.com E-mail: ch...@clgproductions.com IMessage/Facetime: theblindmusic...@att.net Windows Live Messenger: ch...@blindperspectives.net Twitter: @gilland_chris Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/christopher.gilland Skype: twinklesfriend2007 Send me a fax from any standard fax machine: 704-697-2069 Google Voice: (Please use sparingly): 980-272-8570----- Original Message ----- From: "James Mannion" <mannion...@gmail.com>
To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2012 9:51 PM Subject: Re: iPad App Store losing sales, alienating
I'm not sure what is being complained abouthere. The "tiny" area on the screen to flick up or down is no problem to find if one is willing t think for one minute or at least take some advice if not of how to get to it. Tough the bottom left icon, the bottom left tab on the screen and do one flick left. There, you are on it. Honestly this complaint does not sound the least bit constructive. Apple provided accessibility to flick through the apps, and yes, it was a solution that appears to have been an after thought, but at least they did provide it and provided it quickly. It is absolutely perfectly usable and is no harder to use, just different, than before. It is absolutely frustrating when people get on a kick that just because it is different that it is all wrong. On 11/7/12, Ray Foret Jr <rfore...@att.net> wrote:Okay, so, did you yourself create such a trouble ticket? Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! Skype name: barefootedray On Nov 7, 2012, at 7:42 AM, Cheree Heppe <che...@dogsc4me.com> wrote:Cheree Heppe here: This design in which a tiny area is to be flicked at to advance the applist isn't a realistic access methodology. The structure of the App Store prior to IOS 6 worked fine, as did the IBooks store. Since the change, Myperusal and purchase of both apps and IBooks has dropped off sharply. This isn't because I don't prefer to look around and to purchase, it's because the access has become so chancy and difficult. Whoever is advising the Apple creative teams on blindness disability may deserve a second hard look. This is because when Apple opened its accessibility window for blind users, it completely derailed some entrenched and very expensive blindness products and made the major Windows screen readers look clumsy and badly designed. You don't suppose those blindness bastions are going to take that lyingdown? What if bad advice in the name of experienced accesibility could begiven to Apple to weaken or limit the scope and reach of Apple's new access? What if the voices and speech could be skewed toward the silly season variety, as in that fake Ease Indin accent that allows the perfectly good Australian voice to mispronounce standard words. Some ofus blind users depend on the pronounciation to know how a word is spelled.Some mispronounced words when spoken in that fake Ease Indian accent, sound exactly like other real words. So, with a few suggestions that get accepted, and with a few more that well, really guys, the totally blind can't be expected to really handlemuch, can they, the whole beautifully positive Apple access platform tiltstoward the glitchy, falty Windows variety.It is a good idea to call and have a trouble ticket created. How did thatold patriotic saying go? Eternal vigilance is the price of freedom. So, let's not give up our newly won freedom with these Apple devices and interfaces. By the way, I'm totally blind and totally able to use the Apple devices, as long as the accessibility playing field isn't stacked against me. Regards, Cheree Heppe Sent from my iPad MiniOn 07/11/2012, at 1:51, "Christopher-Mark Gilland" <clgillan...@gmail.com>wrote:Hey Cheree, I don't know how to do this with the IPad,but with the IPhoneat least, I definitely! can show you. It's a little weird, but it is extremely doable. I do it all the time!OK, so, on your 4S, at least, what you need to do, is after you bring thepage up for your first result, tap near the very bottom center of thescreen, if it helps, I don't know how much, if any, vision that you have, but if you have enough to see the little thumbnail picture of the artwork for the app, what you need is immediately just directly below that. it's basically gonna be right between that artwork, and your home key. If youcan't see it, it is a flickable item, so don't worry. If push comes to shove, you definitely! can flick to it. You will see that there is an adjuster. It'll say something like 1 of 45, or 1 of 200, or whatever. Now, what you want to do is on that adjuster, just like you would do normally, just one finger flick up to get to the next result, and onefinger flick down to get to the previous one. Be sure you're focused onthat adjuster though before you virtically flick. Otherwise, you're gonna be moving the currently set rotor setting like words, headings, characters, etc. Again, no dice for the IPad. I will say that Chris from Apple did call me back yesterday, around 6, rigbht before he left for the day, and he told me that he, his boss, and about 5 or 6 others had a staff meeting which he himself requested, to discuss the stores IPad accessibility moving forward, as he too agreed since I O S 6.anything came out, it's somewhat climbed down hill in Voiceover support. In this meeting, he told me one of the key outline discussions did revolve around my exactproblem. He definitely did send it up to engineering. I'd encourage allof you guys to also write, and have them create you a case number like Chris did for me, this way it's not just an oh, we'll send it up. Youneed to insist that they give you a case number. I think the more peoplewho do this, the better. They are? now definitely, if nothing else, atleast from me, aware the issue's there, but they're not gonna do anything with just one person. I promise you they won't. I didn't say one person can't make a difference, so don't read me out of context. I simply said,one person might make a difference, yes, but only if others also report the bug/breakage. Let's not bombard them, but, let's really pull together and let's all let them know. Regardless if they care or notreally at this point is not an issue. Let's let them know, then if theychoose to not act on it, then, we'll bitch, but until then, let's see what they say. Thank you kindly, Christopher-Mark Gilland. Founder of CLG Productions Blog: http://www.clgproductions.org Podcast: http://clgproductions.podhoster.com E-mail: ch...@clgproductions.com IMessage/Facetime: theblindmusic...@att.net Windows Live Messenger: ch...@blindperspectives.net Twitter: @gilland_chris Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/christopher.gilland Skype: twinklesfriend2007 Send me a fax from any standard fax machine: 704-697-2069 Google Voice: (Please use sparingly): 980-272-8570 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cheree Heppe" <che...@dogsc4me.com> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 8:20 PM Subject: Re: iPad app store Cheree Heppe here: Same with me on an iphone 4s, ipadd 2 and ipad mini. Totally unusable. Sent from my IPhone 4S On 06/11/2012, at 15:14, Lisette Wesseling <lisettewessel...@gmail.com> wrote:I'm only going to weigh into this discussion by saying that I too am having the problems Chris described. I'm running an iPad 2 gen with6.01. I can only get to one of the search results after pressing search.The pop up above the search field does populate, but double tapping on anything produces the message that there are no results. Interesting some people are not having this problem. I'm going to write to Apple about it and hopefully it will be fixed soon. Cheers all Lisette -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. 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