Hi Andrew,
I've not had as much success with the iPad version of the Kobo app. I can't 
seem to get past the log in screne, so I've sort of given up for now. It could 
just be me, but I find the iPhone version easier to use.

Lisette

On 4/03/2013, at 9:26 PM, Andrew Lamanche <andrew.laman...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear Lisette and Esther,
> 
> Thank you very much for the explanations and tips regarding reading drm 
> protected ebooks on the mac and idevices. Do you know whether I can use the 
> kobo app with my iPad 2?
> 
> Also, I've been having lots of crashes of Voiceover in adobe digital edition 
> when trying to interact with the page that's currently being read. Reading 
> the archives of the list in googlegroups regarding adobe digital edition, I 
> can see that others have had a similar experience. I must admit that the 
> inability of reading by line is a definite drawback especially with academic 
> books but thanks Esther for the tip of copying a whole page spoken with 
> vo+shift+c and pasting it into a text reader for more detailed examination. 
> It is a solution for now. I'm delighted though that adobe digital solution 
> has been improved.
> 
> With many thanks again.
> 
> Andrew
> On 3 Mar 2013, at 20:13, macvisionaries@googlegroups.com wrote:
> 
>>   Today's Topic Summary
>> Group: http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries/topics
>> 
>>      • how do I turn off "1 row added" in voiceover? [3 Updates]
>>      • Getting email to sink up [2 Updates]
>>      • Turning RTF into a navigable Epub [1 Update]
>>      • MLB spring training games [8 Updates]
>>      • Keyboard toggle between 2 keyboards [1 Update]
>>      • VoiceOver and HTML [1 Update]
>>      • How to open a .bin file. [1 Update]
>>      • Handbreak Settings [2 Updates]
>>      • Arrangement Track in GarageBand [1 Update]
>>      • Crashing Chrome with Chromevox [1 Update]
>>      • Reading epub drm protected books from kobo and similar with voiceover 
>> [4 Updates]
>>  how do I turn off "1 row added" in voiceover?
>> Eric Oyen <eric.o...@gmail.com> Mar 02 08:34PM -0700  
>> 
>> hey guys,
>>  
>> I keep getting the "1 row added" indication in mail (and other appps). this 
>> is rather annoying and interrupts my reading an email or tweet. it means 
>> that I have to go back and start reading it again. any way to turn this off?
>>  
>> -eric
>>  
>> Danny Noonan <da...@familynoonan.net> Mar 03 09:47PM +1100  
>> 
>> You write to apple and hope your request is the one they listen too. There 
>> are a few things like this that should be easily turned off in verbosetey 
>> but never seem to be addressed. 
>>  
>> The more of us write to apple, the more chance something will finally be 
>> done about this and other such issues. 
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> Danny. 
>>  
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>  
>>  
>> Eric Oyen <eric.o...@gmail.com> Mar 03 12:53PM -0700  
>> 
>> there is a problem sending mail to apple. their support email isn't 
>> monitored and they respond that I should use the web interface. that leads 
>> me in circles. so, which address should I use?
>>  
>> -eric
>>  
>> On Mar 3, 2013, at 3:47 AM, Danny Noonan wrote:
>>  
>>  
>>  Getting email to sink up
>> "Jed Barton" <j...@jedbarton.com> Mar 02 05:57PM -0500  
>> 
>> Hey guys,
>>  
>> OK, I'm hoping someone can help me out.
>> I wanna get my email to sink with my iphone, but appear to be having some
>> imap and setting issues between my mac and iphone. Is anyone around
>> tonight, to perhaps get on skype and go through some settings?
>>  
>> Thanks,
>> Jed
>>  
>> "Jonathan C. Cohn" <jon.c.c...@gmail.com> Mar 03 02:30PM -0500  
>> 
>> Did you get any help?
>>  
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>  
>>  
>>  Turning RTF into a navigable Epub
>> Jane <juanitatig...@gmail.com> Mar 03 01:42PM -0500  
>> 
>> I have an RTF file that I want to convert into an iBook with proper chapter 
>> and sections that I can navigate to from the table of contents. How do I set 
>> this up in TextEdit before I export to epub? Or do I need to use Pages for 
>> this? What tips or suggestions do you have?
>>  
>> Since I don't want to clog the list with replies, please email me off-list 
>> at:
>>  
>> juanitatig...@gmail.com
>>  
>> Much appreciated!
>>  
>> Jane
>>  
>>  MLB spring training games
>> ppowell...@aol.com Mar 02 05:33PM -0600  
>> 
>> I quit messing with the spring-training games on my computer years ago. I 
>> use the app. Much easier to navigate.
>>  
>> Pam Francis
>>  
>> On Mar 2, 2013, at 3:00 PM, erik burggraaf <e...@erik-burggraaf.com> wrote:
>>  
>> Dano what to tell you. The player is in flash and won't even show up on your 
>> computer unless you have flash installed. our feelings about it make no 
>> difference one way or the other, but at least there are hotkeys, as well as 
>> a stand alone version with accessible controls, and the audio quality is a 
>> significant improvement over the old silverlite version. may'z well not wine 
>> about it and get on with the game.
>>  
>> Best,
>>  
>> Erik Burggraaf
>> Follow my series of articles about setting up a small business through the 
>> ontario disability support program at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com/blog
>> Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194
>> or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com
>>  
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>> erik burggraaf <e...@erik-burggraaf.com> Mar 02 07:45PM -0500  
>> 
>> I hardcore want this for my android phone. It's perfectly accessible and 
>> streamlined and to be honest, I'm out when the came is on quite a lot. It's 
>> 20 bucks for the app though, are you kidding me? Essentially double the 
>> price of a subscription just for mobile device support. It's really 
>> outrageous.
>>  
>> Best,
>> Erik Burggraaf
>> Follow my series of articles about setting up a small business through the 
>> ontario disability support program at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com/blog
>> Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194
>> or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com
>>  
>>  
>> ppowell...@aol.com Mar 02 11:09PM -0600  
>> 
>> Hi folks,
>> If I'm not mistaken, the money you pay for the app, also get you access 
>> through your computer. I don't think they charged twice. Login to your MLB 
>> account with your username and password and take advantage of the 
>> subscription on your computer or phone.
>>  
>> Pam Francis
>>  
>> On Mar 2, 2013, at 6:45 PM, erik burggraaf <e...@erik-burggraaf.com> wrote:
>>  
>> I hardcore want this for my android phone. It's perfectly accessible and 
>> streamlined and to be honest, I'm out when the came is on quite a lot. It's 
>> 20 bucks for the app though, are you kidding me? Essentially double the 
>> price of a subscription just for mobile device support. It's really 
>> outrageous.
>>  
>> Best,
>> Erik Burggraaf
>> Follow my series of articles about setting up a small business through the 
>> ontario disability support program at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com/blog
>> Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194
>> or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com
>>  
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>> erik burggraaf <e...@erik-burggraaf.com> Mar 03 07:04AM -0500  
>> 
>> I paid on my computer, but this week when I logged in on my phone to listen 
>> it wouldn't let me into the audio section. Once I logged in it gave me a 
>> screen that asked me to buy the pro version.
>>  
>> Best,
>>  
>> Erik Burggraaf
>> Follow my series of articles about setting up a small business through the 
>> ontario disability support program at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com/blog
>> Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194
>> or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com
>>  
>>  
>> Juliette <jmswi...@samobile.net> Mar 03 06:43AM -0600  
>> 
>> I have another question related to this. When I log on via my Apple TV and 
>> select today's games, I can't seem to get games for 2013. It still shows 
>> games for 2012. What have I done wrong?
>>  
>> Juliette
>>  
>>  
>> Les Kriegler <kriegle...@gmail.com> Mar 03 07:50AM -0500  
>> 
>> You haven't done anything wrong. The games are not available yet. For some 
>> reason, AppleTV is one of the devices that doesn't have the games up yet. 
>> Keep checking though, they say that they'll be ready by the beginning of the 
>> season. I sure hope so.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>  
>>  
>> Ricardo Walker <rwalker...@gmail.com> Mar 03 08:54AM -0500  
>> 
>> Hello,
>>  
>> This is correct. But, those who subscribe from their computer, do not have 
>> access on their other devices. MLB is aware of the issue, There will 
>> probably be a fix in the next update of At Bat I'm guessing.
>>  
>> Ricardo Walker
>> rica...@appletothecore.info
>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
>> www.appletothecore.info
>>  
>>  
>> Juliette <jmswi...@samobile.net> Mar 03 10:32AM -0600  
>> 
>> I appreciate your help.
>>  
>> Juliette
>>  
>>  
>>  Keyboard toggle between 2 keyboards
>> Mary-Jo Lord <maryjo.lord...@gmail.com> Mar 03 10:20AM -0500  
>> 
>> Thanks. I'll give that a try.
>>  
>>  VoiceOver and HTML
>> Chris Moore <apple.geek.ch...@gmail.com> Mar 03 01:08PM  
>> 
>> Yes this is definitely a bug, and and for ARIA landmarks, you have to 
>> specify a role within the div tag.
>>  
>> You can read more about this here:
>> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Using_ARIA_landmarks_to_identify_regions_of_a_page
>>  
>> Thanks 
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  How to open a .bin file.
>> Jessica Moss <junglebookfa...@gmail.com> Mar 03 07:38AM -0500  
>> 
>> I've just downloaded a bunch of Sega Genesis roms and had no idea the folder 
>> was a .bin file, and now have no idea how to open it. Can anyone help out 
>> here?
>>  
>>  Handbreak Settings
>> Emilio Hernandez <emilio.s.hernan...@gmail.com> Mar 02 10:42PM -0600  
>> 
>> Hello everyone,
>>  
>> I am putting movies I have purchased on to my computer, but what settings do 
>> I need to enable, so these videos can be played on my iDevice?
>> I am not sure if the settings I need to interact with are found in the 
>> preferences drawer, r if they are found elsewhere.
>>  
>> Thanks for any help anyone can provide.
>>  
>> "Kliphton" <kliph...@gmail.com> Mar 02 11:46PM -0600  
>> 
>> I also have a question about this app. How do you select multiple tracks
>> like on a DVD that is a TV series? I wouldn't want to have to do it
>> individually, that could be pretty time consuming.
>>  
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Emilio Hernandez
>> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 10:43 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Handbreak Settings
>>  
>> Hello everyone,
>>  
>> I am putting movies I have purchased on to my computer, but what settings do
>> I need to enable, so these videos can be played on my iDevice?
>> I am not sure if the settings I need to interact with are found in the
>> preferences drawer, r if they are found elsewhere.
>>  
>> Thanks for any help anyone can provide.
>>  
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>>  Arrangement Track in GarageBand
>> Nicholas Parsons <mr.nicholas.pars...@gmail.com> Mar 03 03:31PM +1100  
>> 
>> That is a shame,. It would make life so much easier. Looks like a great 
>> feature indeed. I hope they fix this in an update. I'll go write Apple 
>> Accessibility about it right now.
>>  
>>  Crashing Chrome with Chromevox
>> "BBS" <bigbigshawn....@gmail.com> Mar 02 07:41PM -0600  
>> 
>> Yep. That's your problem. Remember, Samantha is a Nuance Vocalizer voice and 
>> in my previous post I said that the Nuance voices don't play well with 
>> Chromevox. I would suggest you switch to Alex or if you still want Samantha 
>> as your system voice, there's a good US English voice in the Chrome 
>> Webstore. It's free to download. I have her and she's awesome.
>>  
>> Shawn
>> Sent from my white MacBook
>>  
>>  Reading epub drm protected books from kobo and similar with voiceover
>> Lisette Wesseling <lisettewessel...@gmail.com> Mar 03 11:07AM +1300  
>> 
>> Hi Andrew
>> I read Kobo books on my iPhone with the Kobo app which is free from the App 
>> store. Now that the ibooks store is finally available in New Zealand, I read 
>> kobo books less and less because they are not as accessible as iBooks. That 
>> said, if you choose the epub version of the book at purchase, the book will 
>> download into the app very nicely. You can read the book either by flicking 
>> to the right to read each line, or doing a two finger swipe down to read the 
>> whole chapter. You can't get word or character navigation, but I have found 
>> reading Kobo books with a braille display works really nicely, and almost 
>> prefer that to listening with speech because you can navigate more easily. 
>> The app itself is definitely usable but takes a bit of figuring out. 
>> It's not my first choice of ebooks anymore, but if nothing else is available 
>> I'll take anything and work with it.
>> I've not tried reading them on my Mac so can't help you there.
>> Let me know if I can help further with the iPhone app.
>>  
>> Lisette
>>  
>>  
>> Esther <mori...@mac.com> Mar 02 01:20PM -1000  
>> 
>> Hello Andrew,
>>  
>> Lisette is correct, the current version of the Kobo eBook reader app is 
>> accessible if you use it on an iPhone or an iPod Touch. You need to purchase 
>> the eBooks from the Kobo web site, but with your account login, they'll 
>> appear in your library when you're using the Kobo app on your iPhone. You 
>> also have the option of downloading a copy of the book to your computer, but 
>> the format will be ePub with Adobe Digital Editions DRM. (This is the most 
>> common type of DRM you are likely to encounter, but it is different from the 
>> Fairplay 2 DRM used by Apple's iBooks). You can read your eBooks in the Kobo 
>> app fairly easily, but you don't get word or character navigation on the 
>> touch screen. One bonus is that you also don't get the reading pause at the 
>> end of a page that you find with iBooks, while it does a simulated page turn 
>> graphic. I have to say that the latest version of the Kobo app, which again 
>> had a major revision just before the holidays, looks as though it is not 
>> accessible when you first download it, and before you log into your account. 
>> In the top half of the screen, there appear to be just a series of unlabeled 
>> buttons, which are apparently random book suggestions. Once you log in, 
>> these become titles under "My Recent Reads" from your Library.
>>  
>> You will need to do a one-time setup to configure your library and reading 
>> preferences. This involves going into the toolbar settings for reading a 
>> book, and setting the page transition style to "Scrolling", which makes it 
>> easy to navigate to the next (or previous) chapter, and which also lets you 
>> navigate even if you land on a page graphic, such as a cover image, map, or 
>> illustration. You'll also want to set your library display to list view, 
>> instead of shelf view, for easier access to browsing and searching for 
>> titles. Since the instructions for doing this can vary slightly with 
>> different versions of the app, this is usually where a new user will 
>> stumble, since anyone who has already used the app and set up their library 
>> this way won't need to bother with this (or even remember how to do this.) 
>> However, I can assure you that this is doable, since I tried a clean install 
>> for the latest version of the Kobo app on an iPhone 5.
>>  
>> If you want to read eBooks with ADE DRM on your Mac, you'll need to download 
>> the Adobe Digital Editions software from:
>> http://www.adobe.com/products/digital-editions.html
>>  
>> You'll also need to follow their instructions for getting an Adobe ID. 
>> Again, the current screen reading experience is still limited, since you 
>> can't navigate by paragraph, line, word, or character in the Mac version, 
>> though I'm told that the latest Windows version of the app does allow you to 
>> do some of this. One work-around is that you can use the VO-Shift-C shortcut 
>> to copy the last read page to a TextEdit window, where you do have these 
>> navigations options. The reading experience is not bad for literature, but I 
>> wouldn't want to try reading, say, a computer programming manual this way.
>>  
>> You can also read eBooks with Adobe Digital Editions DRM in the OverDrive 
>> Media Console app on your iPhone, but the eBook reading experience is better 
>> in the Kobo app. I've only used OverDrive Media Console to directly borrow 
>> and download audiobooks and eBooks from my public library (with a library 
>> card ID account number to use as a login). The audiobook borrowing 
>> experience is better than the eBook reading experience with OverDrive Media 
>> Console. This is just a statement that there is an option to read such 
>> eBooks with DRM on your iPhone.
>>  
>> I've generally found the most detailed recent discussions of these topics on 
>> the mac-access list.
>>  
>> If you want to set up reading with the Kobo app, Anne Robertson wrote out 
>> some instructions in a comment post at the AppleVis site:
>> http://www.applevis.com/apps/ios/books/kobo-books
>>  
>> If you want to read how to change your Kobo library organization to list 
>> view, you can read that in one of my mac-access list post in the Mail 
>> Archives:
>> • Re: Latest Kobo App on iPhone [Was Re: Help with Adob Digital Editions]
>> http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access%40mac-access.net/msg15572.html
>>  
>> HTH. Cheers,
>>  
>> Esther
>>  
>> 
>> On Mar 2, 2013, at 12:07, Lisette Wesseling wrote:
>>  
>>  
>> Lisette Wesseling <lisettewessel...@gmail.com> Mar 03 01:18PM +1300  
>> 
>> Esther,
>> Do you know if voice dream can read Kobo books?
>>  
>>  
>> Esther <mori...@mac.com> Mar 02 03:17PM -1000  
>> 
>> Hi Lisette,
>>  
>> Voice Dream Reader can't read Kobo ebooks because of the DRM. It can be used 
>> for DRM-free ePub books, though. Kobo handles your authorization for the ADE 
>> DRM through your initial account setup and purchase records. Apps like 
>> OverDrive Media Console make you apply for an Adobe ID that is associated 
>> with your account, and that can be linked to library or other downloads. If 
>> you buy eBooks from publishers who do not use DRM, they can be read in Voice 
>> Dream Reader. 
>>  
>> Cheers,
>>  
>> Esther
>>  
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