I don't recall if the iMacs still come with disk drives or not. If they don't, you will have a few extra steps to get bootcamp working using a thumb drive, or you can buy a USB disk drive and plug that in instead. I installed Bootcamp from a thumb drive, but I had a lot of sighted help. It sounds like you are leaning toward Fusion, though, and I have to say I think you'll be happier with that in the long run. It will be frustrating at first, but once you know its quirks, you should be okay. On Jun 16, 2013, at 10:16 PM, "Phil Halton" <philh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> zoey, > > Bootcamp is set up by a program on the MAC called bootcamp assistant. That > program partitions the drive for you and starts the installation process of > Windows. That is, it partitions the drive then asks you to put the windows > disk in the CD drive, then reboots and begins the Windows installation > processIt also lets you download and burn the bootcamp drivers onto a CD > which you'll need after installing windows. These bootcamp drivers let > windows access the mac hardware etc. From the reboot onward, you need sighted > assistance to go through the windows install screens, install the bootcamp > drivers, and finally, get a screen reader loaded into windows so you can take > over from there. I had a semi-computer literate friend sit here and read the > screens to me as we installed Windows - that's all - no need for high-priced > tech assistance. > > Or, > > With fusion, you can just install windows into a VMWare Virtual machine which > is just a big file on the MAC file system - its not a separate partition on > the HD. As I understand it, installing windows into a virtual machine in > VMWare is accessible with VoiceOver. > > Thirdly, from within VMWare Fusion, you can import a previously installed > bootcamp partition into fusion and run it like any other virtual machine, or > just run the bootcamp partition version of windows without even importing it > into fusion. > > So, there's three different options > 1) have a dual boot system, called bootcamping, that requires rebooting to > go from one OS to the other. > 2) create a windows virtual machine in fusion which doesn't require > partitioning the HD, and can be done without sighted assistance. or, > 3) Either run, or import and run an existing bootcamp partition from fusion . > > I'm not real sure about the difference between simply running a bootcamp vs > importing and running it from within Fusion, there's not much difference I > don't think. > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "zoe" <fiog...@rogers.com> > To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2013 6:21 PM > Subject: Re: Fusion boot camp or parallel > > >> Oh ok got it now. One more question that I thought of and please accept my >> appologies for asking what may seem stupid questions and for asking them >> scattered, my mind is all over the place and I seem to be asking questions >> as they come. Am I to understand that with bootcamp the drive would be >> partitioned but with fusion it would not? Apple said for the partitioning >> of the drive they would charge me two hundred and fifty dollars, if I half >> to pay it oh well, then I will, but have I gotten confused somewhere down >> the line? I'm sure the drive is partitioned for bootcamp but fusion? >> Thanks again and again I'm so sorry for my confusion. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Hall" <mehg...@gmail.com> >> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >> Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2013 5:50 PM >> Subject: Re: Fusion boot camp or parallel >> >> >> No, Refit is free and something you will add once you get your machine. Jaws >> can only read the Windows logon/lock screens, not the boot screen. When a >> computer first boots, no operating system has started yet, which is why no >> screen reader can possibly be loaded. >> On Jun 16, 2013, at 4:21 PM, zoe <fiog...@rogers.com> wrote: >> >>> hmmmm refit manager is that something extra I half to by or can apple add >>> it >>> on for me? Also since I'm going to be installing windows with jaws, and >>> jaws can be configured to the log screen would that do the trick? >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Hall" <mehg...@gmail.com> >>> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>> Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2013 3:46 PM >>> Subject: Re: Fusion boot camp or parallel >>> >>> >>> Voiceover cannot speak on the boot screen since it is not loaded yet. >>> Apple >>> would have to add some form of speech into BIOS, which would be difficult >>> to >>> impossible. You can do what I did, though: install the Refit Boot Manager, >>> letting you press m for mac or w for windows when you boot the machine. >>> On Jun 16, 2013, at 11:20 AM, zoe <fiog...@rogers.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Oh thanks so much, good to know I won't have problems with jaws. As I >>>> said >>>> the man at the apple store actually suggested parallel but if fusion does >>>> the trick and most people seem to like it I guess maybe that's the way to >>>> go >>>> especially if I'm going to be asking for advice on the use of the >>>> program. >>>> The man at the store thought parallel was a better choice but didn't >>>> state >>>> the reasons why. Don't mean to be repetative but can apple configure >>>> voiceover for me when shipping the imac to me to start up automatically? >>>> Also if using fusion will voiceover speak on the log screen to help me >>>> navigate weather I want to boot mac or windows? >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nicholas Parsons" >>>> <mr.nicholas.pars...@gmail.com> >>>> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>> Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2013 10:51 AM >>>> Subject: Re: Fusion boot camp or parallel >>>> >>>> >>>> Yes, you can install JAWS or any other screen reader on the Windows part >>>> of >>>> your Mac. It doesn't matter whether it's running as a duel installation >>>> (i.e. bootcamp) or as a virtual machine (e.g. VM Fusion). >>>> >>>> I am curious if any of these people who keep saying parallels is >>>> inaccessible have actually tried using it lately, or whether they are >>>> just >>>> passing along old hearsay that might now be obselete. I think Alex at >>>> least >>>> mentioned that he hadn't used it lately and things might have changed. I >>>> was >>>> told fairly recently that Parallels was accessible with JAWS, but that >>>> there >>>> was some problem with the JAWS key which is typically the insert key by >>>> default. I've never tried installing Windows on my Mac in any form though >>>> so >>>> I don't know. I'm just worried though that this might be one of those >>>> accessibility rumours that gets propogated longer than it should because >>>> of >>>> course no one tests the thing anymore because they are told it's not >>>> accessible. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Have a great day, >>> Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) >>> mehg...@gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >>> >> >> >> >> Have a great day, >> Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) >> mehg...@gmail.com >> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) mehg...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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