and what is wrong with that? the powers that be try every way to keep us penned up, but I do not accept that. We have the right to be able to live the same as others (at least here in the U.S.). So, why should we accept anything less?
-eric On Aug 7, 2013, at 2:16 PM, Barry Hadder wrote: > I recall a time not so long ago when i devices first became accessible, > everyone thinking how that was going to level the playing field. It’s funny > how quickly perspectives change. > > Now the bar has been raised even higher. The playing field will not be level > until blind people have access to every cheep piece of crap in existence. > I should say that I’m happy with what Apple does and I have no desire to use > anything else. That said however, I certainly think that it would be a very > good think if other companies would realize the importance of opening their > products up to other segments of society and not excluding them. I just > don’t think that this is going to convince them. > > I don’t want to completely let Apple off the hook as it seems to me at times > that there are factions under their roof that don’t seem to understand the > importance of accessibility or what Voiceover is even used for. On the other > hand, I think that there is a much larger faction at Apple that definitely > gets it and that the evidence to support this is over whelming. I realize > that not every body can listen to them, but there were some very impressive > sessions at WWDC on the importance of accessibility and how easy it really is > to not only make an app usable to a blind person, but make it a nice > experience to use. > > I would like to suggest, that just maybe, if a government agency needs to > step in to private inderestry and dictate to a company how their product is > required to function, the result probably won’t be something you are going to > want to use. > > I think that we as a blind community have access to more information then at > any other time in history. And, while things can always be better, maybe > some gratitude is in order for the really good things that some companies > like Apple have done. > > > On Aug 7, 2013, at 12:36 PM, Richard Ring <richr...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> And, let's face it! Not all blind people can afford i devices, nor should >> they have to! Having a relatively inexpensive Ereader would really help to >> level the playing field! >> >> >> You can have an off day, but you can't have a day off! ---The Art of Fielding >> Sent from my Mac Book Pro >> richr...@gmail.com >> >> On Aug 7, 2013, at 12:21 PM, Eugenia Firth <gigifi...@me.com> wrote: >> >>> Hi there >>> Yes, and we all know which "disability" they are talking about, and it's >>> not the disabled they are talking about either. They are talking about the >>> blind, but of course, they didn't say so. They might as well have. After >>> all, most of the other disabilities can read the print. When I heard about >>> this law, I had a feeling this kind of thing was going to start with the >>> "we can't" people. >>> >>> Hey, I guess you guys noticed how they want to solve the accessibility >>> problem, right! They want to let Apple carrying them along by saying we can >>> all use iPads etc.! >>> Regards, >>> Gigi >>> >>> Regards, >>> Gigi >>> >>> On Aug 7, 2013, at 10:02 AM, Mike Arrigo <n0...@charter.net> wrote: >>> >>>> I can't believe the FCC would even consider that. They should say, >>>> absolutely not. These devices must be made accessible, end of story. >>>> Original message: >>>>> Hello all: >>>> >>>>> In follow-up to Karen's post last night, I am posting information >>>>> regarding FCC's request for comments on this issue. I hope that many of >>>>> you will take the time to comment. >>>>> Best, >>>>> Donna >>>>> Request for Comment on Petition for Class Waiver of Accessibility Rules >>>>> for ACS >>>> >>>>> On August 1, 2013, the Federal Communication Commission (FCC) released a >>>>> Public Notice requesting comment on a petition filed by the Coalition of >>>>> E-Reader Manufacturers. The Coalition requests that the Commission waive >>>>> its rules requiring equipment used for advanced communications services >>>>> (ACS) to be accessible by people with disabilities. The Coalition states >>>>> that, although e-readers are equipment that consumers can use for ACS, >>>>> they are designed primarily for reading. >>>> >>>>> To distinguish e-readers from tablets and other devices that would not be >>>>> subject to the waiver request, the Coalition requests a waiver for >>>>> e-readers that have the following features: >>>> >>>>> (1) they have no LCD screen; >>>>> (2) they have no camera; >>>>> (3) they are not offered or shipped to consumers with built-in ACS client >>>>> applications and their manufacturers do not develop ACS applications for >>>>> their respective devices, though the devices may include a browser and >>>>> social media applications; and >>>>> (4) they are marketed to consumers as reading devices and promotional >>>>> material does not tout the capability to access ACS. >>>> >>>>> Comment Deadline: September 3, 2013 >>>>> Reply Comment Deadline: September 13, 2013 >>>> >>>>> Links to the Public Notice (including filing instructions): >>>> >>>> >>>>> (PDF) http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-13-1686A1.pdf >>>>> <http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-13-1686A1.pdf> >>>>> (Word) http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-13-1686A1.doc >>>>> <http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-13-1686A1.doc> >>>>> (Text) http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-13-1686A1.txt >>>>> <http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-13-1686A1.txt> >>>> >>>>> Link to the Coalition Petition (May 15, 2013): >>>>> http://apps.fcc.gov/ecfs/document/view?id=7022314526 >>>>> <http://apps.fcc.gov/ecfs/document/view?id=7022314526> >>>> >>>>> Link to the Letter Supplementing the Coalition Petition (July 17, 2013): >>>>> http://apps.fcc.gov/ecfs/document/view?id=7520931307 >>>>> <http://apps.fcc.gov/ecfs/document/view?id=7520931307> >>>> >>>>> For further information, please contact Eliot Greenwald at (202) 418-2235 >>>>> oreliot.greenw...@fcc.gov >>>>> <mailto:eliot.greenw...@fcc.gov><mailto:eliot.greenw...@fcc.gov >>>>> <mailto:eliot.greenw...@fcc.gov>>; or Rosaline Crawford at (202) 418-2075 >>>>> orrosaline.crawf...@fcc.gov >>>>> <mailto:rosaline.crawf...@fcc.gov><mailto:rosaline.crawf...@fcc.gov >>>>> <mailto:rosaline.crawf...@fcc.gov>>. >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries >>>>> <http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries>. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out >>>>> <https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out>. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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