its not wrong. In fact, if you need to modify it for your needs, do so. You are correct that this is a lot more than just a U.S. problem, but what happens here spreads fairly quickly to the rest of the developed world.
-eric On Aug 8, 2013, at 6:42 AM, Red.Falcon wrote: > Hi Eric! > OK I hope this does not come across wrong! > Although this is taking place under USA laws maybe the point could be made > that this disision will effect people in other country's, so a bigger > community! > IE like the iPhone as been mentioned before! > Just a thought! > Colin > > On 8 Aug 2013, at 11:01, eric oyen <eric.o...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> and what is wrong with that? the powers that be try every way to keep us >> penned up, but I do not accept that. We have the right to be able to live >> the same as others (at least here in the U.S.). So, why should we accept >> anything less? >> >> -eric >> >> On Aug 7, 2013, at 2:16 PM, Barry Hadder wrote: >> >>> I recall a time not so long ago when i devices first became accessible, >>> everyone thinking how that was going to level the playing field. It’s >>> funny how quickly perspectives change. >>> >>> Now the bar has been raised even higher. The playing field will not be >>> level until blind people have access to every cheep piece of crap in >>> existence. >>> I should say that I’m happy with what Apple does and I have no desire to >>> use anything else. That said however, I certainly think that it would be a >>> very good think if other companies would realise the importance of opening >>> their products up to other segments of society and not excluding them. I >>> just don’t think that this is going to convince them. >>> >>> I don’t want to completely let Apple off the hook as it seems to me at >>> times that there are factions under their roof that don’t seem to >>> understand the importance of accessibility or what Voiceover is even used >>> for. On the other hand, I think that there is a much larger faction at >>> Apple that definitely gets it and that the evidence to support this is over >>> whelming. I realise that not every body can listen to them, but there were >>> some very impressive sessions at WWDC on the importance of accessibility >>> and how easy it really is to not only make an app usable to a blind person, >>> but make it a nice experience to use. >>> >>> I would like to suggest, that just maybe, if a government agency needs to >>> step in to private inderestry and dictate to a company how their product is >>> required to function, the result probably won’t be something you are going >>> to want to use. >>> >>> I think that we as a blind community have access to more information then >>> at any other time in history. And, while things can always be better, >>> maybe some gratitude is in order for the really good things that some >>> companies like Apple have done. >>> >>> >>> On Aug 7, 2013, at 12:36 PM, Richard Ring <richr...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> And, let's face it! Not all blind people can afford i devices, nor should >>>> they have to! Having a relatively inexpensive Ereader would really help to >>>> level the playing field! >>>> >>>> >>>> You can have an off day, but you can't have a day off! ---The Art of >>>> Fielding >>>> Sent from my Mac Book Pro >>>> richr...@gmail.com >>>> >>>> On Aug 7, 2013, at 12:21 PM, Eugenia Firth <gigifi...@me.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi there >>>>> Yes, and we all know which "disability" they are talking about, and it's >>>>> not the disabled they are talking about either. They are talking about >>>>> the blind, but of course, they didn't say so. They might as well have. >>>>> After all, most of the other disabilities can read the print. When I >>>>> heard about this law, I had a feeling this kind of thing was going to >>>>> start with the "we can't" people. >>>>> >>>>> Hey, I guess you guys noticed how they want to solve the accessibility >>>>> problem, right! They want to let Apple carrying them along by saying we >>>>> can all use iPads etc.! >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Gigi >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Gigi >>>>> >>>>> On Aug 7, 2013, at 10:02 AM, Mike Arrigo <n0...@charter.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I can't believe the FCC would even consider that. They should say, >>>>>> absolutely not. These devices must be made accessible, end of story. >>>>>> Original message: >>>>>>> Hello all: >>>>>> >>>>>>> In follow-up to Karen's post last night, I am posting information >>>>>>> regarding FCC's request for comments on this issue. I hope that many of >>>>>>> you will take the time to comment. >>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>> Donna >>>>>>> Request for Comment on Petition for Class Waiver of Accessibility Rules >>>>>>> for ACS >>>>>> >>>>>>> On August 1, 2013, the Federal Communication Commission (FCC) released >>>>>>> a Public Notice requesting comment on a petition filed by the Coalition >>>>>>> of E-Reader Manufacturers. The Coalition requests that the Commission >>>>>>> waive its rules requiring equipment used for advanced communications >>>>>>> services (ACS) to be accessible by people with disabilities. The >>>>>>> Coalition states that, although e-readers are equipment that consumers >>>>>>> can use for ACS, they are designed primarily for reading. >>>>>> >>>>>>> To distinguish e-readers from tablets and other devices that would not >>>>>>> be subject to the waiver request, the Coalition requests a waiver for >>>>>>> e-readers that have the following features: >>>>>> >>>>>>> (1) they have no LCD screen; >>>>>>> (2) they have no camera; >>>>>>> (3) they are not offered or shipped to consumers with built-in ACS >>>>>>> client applications and their manufacturers do not develop ACS >>>>>>> applications for their respective devices, though the devices may >>>>>>> include a browser and social media applications; and >>>>>>> (4) they are marketed to consumers as reading devices and promotional >>>>>>> material does not tout the capability to access ACS. >>>>>> >>>>>>> Comment Deadline: September 3, 2013 >>>>>>> Reply Comment Deadline: September 13, 2013 >>>>>> >>>>>>> Links to the Public Notice (including filing instructions): >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> (PDF) >>>>>>> http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-13-1686A1.pdf >>>>>>> <http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-13-1686A1.pdf> >>>>>>> (Word) >>>>>>> http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-13-1686A1.doc >>>>>>> <http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-13-1686A1.doc> >>>>>>> (Text) >>>>>>> http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-13-1686A1.txt >>>>>>> <http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-13-1686A1.txt> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Link to the Coalition Petition (May 15, 2013): >>>>>>> http://apps.fcc.gov/ecfs/document/view?id=7022314526 >>>>>>> <http://apps.fcc.gov/ecfs/document/view?id=7022314526> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Link to the Letter Supplementing the Coalition Petition (July 17, >>>>>>> 2013): http://apps.fcc.gov/ecfs/document/view?id=7520931307 >>>>>>> <http://apps.fcc.gov/ecfs/document/view?id=7520931307> >>>>>> >>>>>>> For further information, please contact Eliot Greenwald at (202) >>>>>>> 418-2235 oreliot.greenw...@fcc.gov >>>>>>> <mailto:eliot.greenw...@fcc.gov><mailto:eliot.greenw...@fcc.gov >>>>>>> <mailto:eliot.greenw...@fcc.gov>>; 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