After having read some 74 messages in this thread, I thought I would chime in here with a further explanation of VO + J and how I personally prefer to use Mail.
First off, VO-J jumps VO to the next control at same level. I absolutely love using this key combination in iTunes; it jumpss me from the table of songs up for playing, the player display window and the artist list. Anyway, this thread concerns Mail. When preview is turned off, you cannot use VO-J to open or focus the message. You have to explicitly open the message in a new window with Return or Command-O. In my case, I am using standard view with previews turned off; for me VO-J jumps be back and forth between the list of mail box folders and the message list. that works just perfectly fine for me. Oh, I also have threading turned on. One big reason why I dislike preview so much is preview causes the message to be marked read by just passing over it with the arrow keys in the message list. I often read messages out of sequence and want to be able to keep track of which is read or unread. As of now, I am still using Mountain Lion so am not sure if this general concept changes with Mavericks or not. Hope this clarifies some things about that hot key. On 12/20/13, Eileen Misrahi <eileen.misr...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > > The other thing I have noticed is if I don't want to read the email or > interact with it using VO-J, I tap on the delete key quickly and I don't > hear the number of emails total, unread mail, etc. This has worked well. I > am getting better at this and thanks to you Robert, I love that VO-J > command. > > Eileen > > -----Original Message----- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Carter > Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 1:12 PM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: huge mail problems still > > Hi, > > Perhaps I am not in quite as much of a hurry as some people. For me, > however, having the information read in the order that it is presented > works > well for me. I hear the subject a brief preview and whether or not the > message is part of a thread. I listen to as little or as much of this > information as needed with the goal of making a decision regarding whether > or not I want to read more of the message or simply move on. > > This approach seems just perfect to me. > > Robert Carter > > > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Dec 20, 2013, at 1:30 PM, Lisette Wesseling > <lisettewessel...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Hi Nicholas, >> Yes I get conversation thread information announced last too, but it has > stopped bothering me. If I want to know if something is a conversation, I > press right arrow. If it opens. it is a conversation, and if it doesn't > open, it's not a conversation. >> >> Cheers >> Lisette >> . >>> On 20/12/2013, at 5:33 pm, Nicholas Parsons > <mr.nicholas.pars...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> The main problem for me with Mavericks Mail is that the read/unread > status of messages, and the number of messages in the thread, are announced > last by VoiceOver when navigating through the message list. This slows my > progress significantly as I have to wait for VoiceOver to announce > everything else before I get this important information. I'm interested in > whether Robert and others have this issue too, as it seems to me like > something that's not dependant on individual settings. >>> >>> My work around for this has been to turn the preview line off in the > Viewing tab of Mail Preferences. This way I don't need to listen to the > message read out before finding out whether it's read or unread, and how > many messages there are in the thread. However, this is a real drawback to > me as hearing the preview often allowed me to dismiss a message quickly > without needing to open it first. >>> >>> For clarification, I've been doing this on a 2011 MacBook Air. I use >>> Mail > in standard view with threading turn on and the preview pane fully > collapsed. I read through the list of messages by using the up and down > arrows while VO focus is on the message list. I don't interact with the > message list table and I do not have QuickNav turned on. To read a message, > I use command-o to open it in a new window and then just use the arrow keys > to read line by line etcetera (with, of course, QuickNav still turned off). >>> >>> Best, >>> Nic >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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