I think it is in settings but the idiots at Google still can’t make their gmail 
website work with VO. I just looked at the gmail site, and I think it reverted 
back to the view that doesn’t work with VO, and I can’t seem to find the damn 
link for classic view or non html whatever it is called. Very frustrating that 
Google still refuses to design their apps and stuff to work with VO.
On Jan 21, 2014, at 3:13 PM, David Chittenden <dchitten...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Gmail has a couple settings which are initially set in a confusing way. One 
> of these settings is archive all mail. This is the default setting. It means, 
> whenever an email is deleted, Gmail places the archive label on the message. 
> For some reason, when Apple mail first sees these old messages, it assigns 
> them back to the original inbox folder. I ended up with over 140,000 email 
> messages since 2005.
> 
> The solution is: go to
> www.gmail.com
> and log-in to your gmail account. Find the preferences or settings page (I do 
> not remember what it is called), and locate the how to handle deleted 
> messages. Change this setting from permanently archive to delete. Another 
> setting found in this area is POP3 or IMAP. These are checkboxes, so Gmail 
> can be set to do both at the same time. I used to do this, but found 
> occasional headaches from it, so changed everything to IMAP.
> 
> I am currently in the process of deleting all my older messages. I 
> occasionally sort out important messages during the process. I am doing this 
> on my iPhone as the mail interface makes more sense to me. I am down to 
> 44,000 messages at this point.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 22 Jan 2014, at 4:15, Brian Fischler <blindga...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hey Nicholas,
>> 
>> Bingo I think you hit the problem right on the head, as I just looked at 
>> this all mail folder and there are 96,000 messages in it. What the heck is 
>> this folder, as I looked and there are emails I deleted years ago. Is there 
>> a way to manage this folder in any settings or get some sighted assistance 
>> to purge some mail on the gmail website. Where do I find the activity menu 
>> to see what mail is doing? Will explore around for it, but not sure where it 
>> is. Thanks,
>>> On Jan 21, 2014, at 1:09 AM, Nicholas Parsons 
>>> <mr.nicholas.pars...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Bryan,
>>> 
>>> First thing, about how many messages altogether do you have in gMail? 
>>> Meaning in your All Mail folder. If it's in the tens of thousands, or 
>>> hundreds of thousands, then I think I know what the problem is.
>>> 
>>> Second, is your All Mail folder enabled for IMAP? It should be.
>>> 
>>> I by no means an expert on this issue—I don't think anybody is. There seems 
>>> to be lots of different issues and neither Apple or much of the tech 
>>> community seems to really know or agree on what's going on. But what I 
>>> think is happening is that Mavericks Mail has to re-download and 
>>> reconfigure every message you have in gMail. Most of us have plenty of 
>>> messages, easily in the tens of thousands, and some people even have 
>>> hundreds of thousands. So when you launch Mail after recently installing 
>>> Mavericks, if you show the activity window with command-option-0, you'll 
>>> notice that Mail is busy accessing the gMail server and checking and 
>>> downloading all your messages. Even for a reasonably small account this can 
>>> take a long time. I left my Mac online with Mail running but nothing else 
>>> for a couple of days. This seemed to allow it to get up and running. So I'd 
>>> suggest you close every application and stop as many other online services 
>>> as you can from operating, then just open Mail and leave your Mac online 
>>> for a good long time. Meaning at least 24 hours. Just leave it, and don't 
>>> do anything else with it, certainly not with Mail. Configure your energy 
>>> preferences so your Mac doesn't go to sleep. Check the Mail activity every 
>>> few hours to check that it's making progress. If it seems to have frozen, 
>>> quit it and re-launch.
>>> 
>>> Best of luck,
>>> Nic
>>> 
>>>> On 21 Jan 2014, at 12:04 pm, Brian Fischler <blindga...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hey all,
>>>> 
>>>> Would love any advice from those of you not having any problems with Gmail 
>>>> and Macmail. After  a day and a half of everything working fine, I had my 
>>>> busy busy problems again. I called Apple and spoke to their VoiceOver 
>>>> people and they kept insisting that my problem wasn’t a gmail and mac mail 
>>>> problem. I connected via remote session with Apple, and the specialist was 
>>>> claiming my issue was caused by my other mail account from go daddy. It 
>>>> took us a good hour to check settings, and mail was constantly caught in a 
>>>> busy loop, after that did nothing, I did a system repair which Apple felt 
>>>> would fix the mail busy issue. I am not going to go in to the bad set of 
>>>> instructions that Apple gave me for a VoiceOVer user to do a repair. So 
>>>> the repair finally finishes and as soon as I launch mail, busy busy busy. 
>>>> I decided to delete my gmail account from mail to see if mail worked with 
>>>> just my go daddy account, and sure enough mail worked fine, so bingo it is 
>>>> definitely a gmail problem. What angers me so much is Apple’s claim that 
>>>> the fix they released in December fixed the gmail and mac mail issue. The 
>>>> whole reason I held off upgrading to Mavericks was because of the gmail 
>>>> issue. Not sure how they can claim the issue is fixed when it is obviously 
>>>> gmail causing my problem.
>>>> 
>>>> I do have a ton of email in gmail that I keep saved in folders, but this 
>>>> was never an issue with gmail and Lion. Does anyone have any suggestions? 
>>>> I deleted all my trash in mac mail, and this did nothing either. Anyone 
>>>> who has gone through something like this and figured out a fix would love 
>>>> to hear it.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks for listening.
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