Hey David, Thanks for taking the time to spell it all out, and yes, it makes much more sense to me now. I guess what I need to do is follow the steps Mac World is suggesting, unless mail continues to work as good as it is now. On Jan 21, 2014, at 3:36 PM, David Chittenden <dchitten...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Look at how much you are struggling with the label concept that Gmail > actually uses. It took me a couple years to get my head around the concept. > It is difficult to understand because it is so different from any other mail > handling protocols I have seen. So, I am not surprised that the tech support > person went down the wrong track. Most people do not understand what Gmail > actually does. > > In point of fact, there are no folders in Gmail. There is only one folder > called all mail. This folder contains every email message. > > What helped me to understand this was when I switched to the mac and learned > about virtual folders. A virtual folder does not actually have any messages > in it. A virtual folder is an index list of all the messages which match its > criteria. However, when in the virtual folder, email appears and handles the > same way that it does in any other folder. You are just manipulating the > message in its original folder, but you are in the virtual folder. > > In Gmail, all folders are virtual except the all mail folder. There is only > one copy of your message, and it is in the all mail folder. When you access > it in any other folder, you are using a label index system to access the > message that is actually only located in the all mail folder. If you should > move the message from the gmail folder to a local only folder, the message is > copied from all mail and then deleted from all mail. If you move a message > from one gmail folder to another gmail folder, the message remains in the all > mail folder, but its indexing label name is changed. If you copy a message > from one gmail folder to another gmail folder, the message remains in the all > mail folder, but it is given a second indexing label. > > Like I said, it is difficult to get one's head around how it works, so try > and cut the tech support person a little slack. Even the tech support person > is only human. Figure out how to understand mac mail's virtual mailboxes and > the gmail system should start making more sense. Then, if you have another > problem, you might be able to educate that tech support person on something > which is extremely confusing. > > David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA > Email: dchitten...@gmail.com > Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 > Sent from my iPhone > >> On 22 Jan 2014, at 9:14, Brian Fischler <blindga...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Well what makes it even more irksome is for the Apple rep to claim it is not >> a gmail issue, and walk me through a ton of stuff that unfortunately didn’t >> fix anything, so after I was off the phone with Apple, I deleted my gmail >> account from mail, and mail worked perfectly fine. Not sure why Apple can’t >> just admit and be honest that there is still a gmail issue. >>> On Jan 21, 2014, at 2:59 PM, David Chittenden <dchitten...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Apple fixed the problems in Gmail for many of their Max. However, after the >>> Mavericks update was released, some users still reported email problems. >>> So, Apple continues trying to figure out what is going on. This is the >>> nature of programming and bugs. >>> >>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA >>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com >>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On 22 Jan 2014, at 6:59, Brian Fischler <blindga...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Yes, that is what I thought. Hilarious as now I only get new mail upon >>>> quitting mail and restarting mail. Very frustrating, and I would have >>>> never upgraded to Mavericks if I knew the gmail issue was still such a >>>> problem, so yeah, I am pissed off at Apple for claiming they fixed the >>>> gmail problem. Very misleading, and I guess you just can’t trust anything >>>> you hear anymore. >>>>> On Jan 21, 2014, at 11:45 AM, Robert C <gone.to.da...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> If you delete mail from All Mail, you will delete everything that is in >>>>> the inbox, deleted, drafts, sent. So if you do not move or archive mail >>>>> outside the gmail account, its gone. >>>>> >>>>> I use message filters (not using Mac Mail yet, still on Windows) but >>>>> gmail is gmail. Before I dump All Mail, I look at the sent folder to see >>>>> what I want to archive. Then I delete mail from All Mail which takes care >>>>> of the other mentioned folders. I do this weekly. >>>>> >>>>> Quote of the nanosecond . . . >>>>> The great majority of us are required to live a life of constant >>>>> duplicity. Your health is bound to be affected if, day after day, you >>>>> say the opposite of what you feel, if you grovel before what you dislike, >>>>> and rejoice at what brings you nothing but misfortune. >>>>> --Boris Pasternak >>>>> Robert & Dreamer Doll ke7nwn >>>>> E-mail- >>>>> gone.to.da...@gmail.com >>>>> >>>>>> On 1/21/2014 7:15 AM, Brian Fischler wrote: >>>>>> Hey Nicholas, >>>>>> >>>>>> Bingo I think you hit the problem right on the head, as I just looked at >>>>>> this all mail folder and there are 96,000 messages in it. What the heck >>>>>> is this folder, as I looked and there are emails I deleted years ago. Is >>>>>> there a way to manage this folder in any settings or get some sighted >>>>>> assistance to purge some mail on the gmail website. Where do I find the >>>>>> activity menu to see what mail is doing? Will explore around for it, but >>>>>> not sure where it is. Thanks, >>>>>>> On Jan 21, 2014, at 1:09 AM, Nicholas Parsons >>>>>>> <mr.nicholas.pars...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Bryan, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> First thing, about how many messages altogether do you have in gMail? >>>>>>> Meaning in your All Mail folder. If it's in the tens of thousands, or >>>>>>> hundreds of thousands, then I think I know what the problem is. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Second, is your All Mail folder enabled for IMAP? It should be. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I by no means an expert on this issue—I don't think anybody is. There >>>>>>> seems to be lots of different issues and neither Apple or much of the >>>>>>> tech community seems to really know or agree on what's going on. But >>>>>>> what I think is happening is that Mavericks Mail has to re-download and >>>>>>> reconfigure every message you have in gMail. Most of us have plenty of >>>>>>> messages, easily in the tens of thousands, and some people even have >>>>>>> hundreds of thousands. So when you launch Mail after recently >>>>>>> installing Mavericks, if you show the activity window with >>>>>>> command-option-0, you'll notice that Mail is busy accessing the gMail >>>>>>> server and checking and downloading all your messages. Even for a >>>>>>> reasonably small account this can take a long time. I left my Mac >>>>>>> online with Mail running but nothing else for a couple of days. This >>>>>>> seemed to allow it to get up and running. So I'd suggest you close >>>>>>> every application and stop as many other online services as you can >>>>>>> from operating, then just open Mail and leave >>>>> your Mac online for a good long time. Meaning at least 24 hours. Just >>>>> leave it, and don't do anything else with it, certainly not with Mail. >>>>> Configure your energy preferences so your Mac doesn't go to sleep. Check >>>>> the Mail activity every few hours to check that it's making progress. If >>>>> it seems to have frozen, quit it and re-launch. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Best of luck, >>>>>>> Nic >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 21 Jan 2014, at 12:04 pm, Brian Fischler <blindga...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hey all, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Would love any advice from those of you not having any problems with >>>>>>>> Gmail and Macmail. After a day and a half of everything working fine, >>>>>>>> I had my busy busy problems again. I called Apple and spoke to their >>>>>>>> VoiceOver people and they kept insisting that my problem wasn’t a >>>>>>>> gmail and mac mail problem. I connected via remote session with Apple, >>>>>>>> and the specialist was claiming my issue was caused by my other mail >>>>>>>> account from go daddy. It took us a good hour to check settings, and >>>>>>>> mail was constantly caught in a busy loop, after that did nothing, I >>>>>>>> did a system repair which Apple felt would fix the mail busy issue. I >>>>>>>> am not going to go in to the bad set of instructions that Apple gave >>>>>>>> me for a VoiceOVer user to do a repair. So the repair finally finishes >>>>>>>> and as soon as I launch mail, busy busy busy. I decided to delete my >>>>>>>> gmail account from mail to see if mail worked with just my go daddy >>>>>>>> account, and sure enough mail worked fine, so bingo it is definitely a >>>>>>>> gmail problem. What an >>>>> gers me so much is Apple’s claim that the fix they released in December >>>>> fixed the gmail and mac mail issue. The whole reason I held off upgrading >>>>> to Mavericks was because of the gmail issue. Not sure how they can claim >>>>> the issue is fixed when it is obviously gmail causing my problem. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I do have a ton of email in gmail that I keep saved in folders, but >>>>>>>> this was never an issue with gmail and Lion. Does anyone have any >>>>>>>> suggestions? I deleted all my trash in mac mail, and this did nothing >>>>>>>> either. 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