With all due respect, I don't feel like receiving answer for my (kind) question, about rationale for proxyfing communication between Board and Community, through Council (other than historical tradition of Nokia->Council->Community, to filter "noise).
If it's only existing rationale, I accept it as answer, but it's very disappointing one, to say at least. Furthermore, question was directed to Board, and while I appreciate any imput from other people, I was interested in direct opinion of Board members. --- I'm *not* implying that I speak for the Community - I speak for myself. What I implied, though, is that Community expressed extreme lack of interest in Council, by not carrying to even throw own names into hat, not to mention voting. Thread about Council election is full of ridicolous talks about who should submit, and then ask to *not* being voted, or who should withdrawn candidacy (or not) and when, to allow constructing Council at all - one, that wouldn't exist, without such tricks. Honestly, the thing that happened around "democratic" election of Council would even offend Belarusian and Chinese democracy standards. It was pure joke, embarassing to witness, even as observer. Given mentioned lack of *natural* interest from Community members to candidate for Council position, I feel justified to say, that Community wasn't interested in Council (lack of) election or existence, at all. --- I'm not implying that anyone is doing "dictatorship" here - enen less the Board, that is formed by quite respectable people. Hoever, amount of agression, that simple questions bring, makes me wonder. It's not new thing, that "goverments" losing Community legitimations, tend to become more agressive and repressionistic. Such thing is clearly visible @ TMO - few of my friends running hardware projects, that also lost faith in TMO being safe place to continue them (projects), are *afraid* to post info about place where they're moving with their ideas, due to risk of being opressed by rogue moderation. If something like this would happen a year ago, I would - myself - call them paranoic. Now, I understand it very well. In years of Nokia paying bills, people were - many times - expressing their opinions against Nokia in much less civilized manner, that Council or Board was *ever* criticized. Now, even simply writing, that practice of candidating to Council and asking "people, don't vote for me" (instead of revoking own candidacy - to support creating Council, that shouldn't exist, due to lack of interest) is making jokes of democracy, result in being assigned ban on TMO. Sure, all of this can be blamed on decomposition of TMO, in last days of its existence - and I hope, that there is no more to it. After all, it would be sad to conclude, that in times of Foundation, censorship, lack of freedom for expressing opinions, denial of witnessing any critic by "rulers" etc is becoming Maemo's standard, for upcoming A.D 2013. Such "radicalisation of goverment" would, sadly, mean that we're spiralling down into oblivion, as history proven many times - in both micro- and macro- scale. --- Thanks for reading this long letter. Thanks in advance for not reacting histericaly, agressively, or in any offensive manner. Yes, I understand, that by yesterday decret, TMO moderators are keeping "order" on mailing list too, and I will accept any ban on mailing list, for writing above (/harmless joke). /Estel On sob 10 lis 2012 10:32:16 CET, Ruediger Gad <[email protected]> wrote: > On 11/10/2012 08:40 AM, [email protected] wrote: > ... > > > > Not that Community's doubts really matter - sadly, "leadership" will do > > what they want, and no one is putting that into doubt. Still, as said > > earlier, asking questions and presenting opinions/doubts isn't crime on > > mailing list (yet). Wouldn't be surprised, if last one is going to > > change for worse, soon, though. > > > > First of all, board and council are as much part of the community as you > are. > Secondly, apparently no one else in the community (except you) has > objections against what the board/council is doing. Which is a very good > sign that they are in fact doing what the community wants. > > Asking questions is completely legit. You asked a question. You got the > answer. > This is not about asking the very same question over and over again > until the answer changes to something that suits you more. > I am very happy that board and council are well organized and reply > uniformly. > > Personally, I am also very happy that we have volunteers who take care > of important things during their free time. > > Please stop implying that there was some kind of dictatorship. This is > simply not true (full stop). > Also please stop to imply that you are speaking for "the community". You > are definitely not speaking for me. > > > > Kind regards, > > Ruediger > > > > PS: Please excuse the noise. > > > > > /Estel > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > maemo-community mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-community > > > > > -- > http://ruedigergad.com >
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