Who cares, this is a waste of time. If so many people are against Estel old and new, there must be a reason.
Sent from my iPhone On Nov 14, 2012, at 11:36 AM, Marcin Mielniczuk <[email protected]> wrote: > OK, but I didn't find anything bad in the first ten of the posts. But I need > to know the arguments of both sides: for which posts did Estel get > infractions? > -- > Marcin > > > > 2012/11/13 Craig Woodward <[email protected]> > > ---- Marcin Mielniczuk <[email protected]> wrote: > >Anyway, I don't have enough information to judge. If someone has different > >info than Estel provided, I'd like to look at it. > > Why don't you do this on your own? Go to TMO and find ANY post by Estel. > You can then look up the user profile by clicking his name, and see *all* > posts (most recent first). Just review the past dozen or so posts, and you > will see him being just as offensive and baselessly accusatory there as he > has been in this thread. Spreading lies, swearing, saying people are > "brainless", or abusing their power, or doing things to "increase their ego". > Meanwhile missing the enormous ego he himself has. Like admitting to > breaking the rule about creating a second account to post, knowing the > consequences, because he felt "above the law" and somehow justified in doing > so. > > Initially his little personal war was with just a few people, mainly those > who took issue with his tone and his twisting of facts to fit his own warped > perception of reality. As people have begun to see how much he manipulates > the truth (or flat out lies), his list of those "in on the conspiracy" to > somehow "overthrow" him has grown to include all of Council, the Board, and > most of the respected and/or contributing community members. > > Some of this may be culturally based. Maybe it's ok in Poland to call > someone "brainless", while to say someone "rambles" is a huge insult. > Regardless, Estel has shown great disrespect for many in this community, to > the point of being blatantly hostile. He's been warned countless times on > this, and each time responds with more vile and swearing, even attacking > those trying to speak up on his behalf at times. > > I for one welcome a rest-bit from his constant whining and lies in the forum. > This is a time where the community must focus on the much more important > task of transitioning to a self-maintained group. Not having him being a > constant source of misdirection, false accusation, and incorrect information > presented as "truth" will be good for the community right now. > > ---- Cosimo Kroll <[email protected]> wrote: > >Estel did not leave council on his own purpose. He was politely asked to > >leave because he ordered parts for his private CNC machine via councils > >.org mail-address without asking the rest of the council. > > This is incorrect. You need to re-read the post you're referring too. > Understand, this is not to criticize you, or boost anyone else. I simply > want to make sure that facts are presented correctly. > > Estel was *not* asked to leave because of that incodent you site, which > occurred in the *first* week of our shared Council term. The incodent was > dismissed as poor judgement and misunderstanding, being the first small issue > in a chain of growing incidents centered around Estel. In retrospect it > shows how he operates and how he thinks: From his point of view everything > is about what it can do FOR him, or what he can gain from it. If it's not > about him, or usable by him, then it's against him. > > For example, while on Council Estel moved to push for more power/control in > Council. After leaving it, he quickly shifted to chastising those remaining, > and made several calls for Council to be dismantled. While creating the > concept of the Board, Estel pushed to elevate Council into the position of > Board once it was formed. After, he claimed Council was conspiring to do > just that, even as we publicly announced elections, opened nominations, and > had public review and change of proposed bylaws for months. In short, if he > wasn't involved, it was corrupt. And everyone in the corrupt group was > clearly doing exactly what *he* would do where he in their position, even if > there was proof to the contrary. > > > In fact, Estel left of his own accord after feeling people were > "disrespectfully ignoring" him. This stemmed from the fact that after > demanding an answer to a TMO post during an IRC Council meeting, he was > denied an immediate reply. Specifically, he demanded I reply to a question > he asked in a TMO thread about an hour before the meeting. This is not the > first time he'd pulled such a thing, posting something just before a meeting > and demanding answers... And the topic was already warn thin to the point > that nobody wanted to discuss it again. I told him I would reply in TMO > *after* the meeting, as not to disrupt the meeting. The rest of those in the > meeting agreed when he tried to push the topic, and we moved on topic wise. > Before I was able to reply (before the meeting even ended, less than an > hour), he posted a multi-page rant to the TMO thread saying he was stepping > down because of how he was treated, and returned to the IRC meeting to > announce it and post a link to the article. All of this is publicly logged > and available, FYI. > > Ironically, he recently called others a host of negative names for *implying* > that they should perhaps step down because of the negativity he was stirring > up. Saying that doing so made them unfit to be a leader... > > > > Those are the facts. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > maemo-community mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-community
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