Mikhail Sobolev wrote: > On Mon, Jan 21, 2008 at 06:00:14PM +0000, Ross Burton wrote: >> On Mon, 2008-01-21 at 18:44 +0100, Hanno Zulla wrote: >> > >> So in other words, despite Maemo being open source and free enough to be >> > >> portable to other hardware, there is no other, non-Nokia device you can >> > >> develop Maemo applications for, right? I wonder why this is so, since I >> > >> like Maemo a lot (from a user's perspective). >> > > >> > > Because there is no way to download "maemo" easily and build your own >> > > images for a different machine. >> > >> > If I am not mistaken, this is not exactly true. >> > >> > Maemo (as such) is free enough, some of the apps and drivers that Nokia >> > ships with its tablets are not. A competitor interested in building a >> > Maemo device should be able to adapt Maemo to its hardware and build >> > replacements for the non-free apps. >> > >> > I wonder why this hasn't happened, yet. >> >> You need to make a distinction between Maemo and ITOS, which is what >> runs on the tablets. Nokia take Maemo, add a collection of non-free >> drivers and software,
> Exactly, Ross! I usually visualize relationship between different bits > using the following picture (please use a fixed width font): > +--------------+----------------+------+ > | | Maemo SDK | | > +--------------+----+----+------+------+ > |API |Open|Open| Open |Closed| > +--------------+----+----+------+------+ > |Implementation|Open|Open|Closed|Closed| > +--------------+----+----+------+------+ > | | IT OS 200X | > +-------------------+------------------+ > The part that is covered by "Maemo" (and Maemo SDK) is not enough to > produce a somewhat reasonable system, which: > 1) is bootable > 2) has support for all hardware > 3) has a comparable to IT OS 2008 set of applications > The really "challenging" areas are 2) and 3). I believe certain work to > make sure that 1) does not have any challenges is planned, but probably > it's up to Quim to confirm. >> and using a build system they have not released >> produce images. If the build system were public, then anyone could >> produce *Maemo* images for a N810, their laptop, or another PDA. > The current build system is way too complicated. It requires quite a > few systems to be installed that include web interfaces, databases, > etc... There is a few really low level things -- detect an build > order, build a single source package, produce image/tarball -- that > could be used independently, however they do have some dependencies on > other bits of infrastructure, so their extraction/polishing requires > certain work [which was not done so far]. Please take a look into OpenEmbedded, which makes building images for various machine types very easy. The configurations for the Nokia internet tablets are supported, but could need some fresh blood. Regards, :M: -- Dr. Michael 'Mickey' Lauer | IT-Freelancer | http://www.vanille-media.de _______________________________________________ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
