Hi, 2010/3/8 Benoît HERVIER <kher...@khertan.net>
> By this thread i didn't want to launch a debate on why i'm creating my > own repository, but as it s on the table now : > > - There is change in rules that happen frequently which seems to > depends on phase of the moon. > Like what ? The CLI rules that took several months to reach a consensus ? > > - There is latency in the display things in the maemo.org/packages/ > interface which result of thumb down. Example : Last time i change the > bugtracker link this one was ok in the package but it tooks 3 hours > for this one to be displayed correctly in the web interface -> Result > : thumb down and comment saying that the bug tracker link is wrong ... > and of course other people vote thumb down without verifying nor the > link in the interface nor the link in the control file of the package. > > - Sometimes package is never displayed to the package web interface > .... so cannot promote it. > > - Sometimes promote package result is an php error, which mean that > the package will be not promoted and cannot be anymore without > publishing an other version and try again. > > - Sometimes icon display on the newest package is taken from an older one. > > - Sometimes changelog displayed on the armel version is taken from the > i386 package (occur only when the armel package version of an app is > newer than the i386 one) > > Did you filled bug reports about these issues ? Best regards, -- Valério Valério http://www.valeriovalerio.org - I'm not agree with some QA rules, like the fact that you should > point as bug tracker the enter_new.php page so you do not let user > made a search before or display the current know bug, so it ll result > in duplicate bugs. > > - It s look like some users are here just to put thumb down just to > gain some karma. > > Also about bugzilla : > > - Creating a nice user interface to help user to automatically put > bugs directly on the tracker from their nit is not possible ... as > b.m.o use bugzilla and i cannot modify it to accept creation of new > bug from elsewhere than the ui. > > - Submitting bugs require a lot of patience actually, as i take > several minutes to validate it (servers too slow ?) . > > - Asking a new product or version in b.m.o require delay, as it s not > something automated, but require you to send an email. > > And the most important things which guide my decision, is that > currently, many thumb down make me angry as there was wrong vote, and > the fact that i m passing more time to package than to develop didn't > help. > > As all of my apps depends on python, it ll not create a "package > dependancy hell." > > "I am not sure if you were around in the early days", i was, but i > found that actually it s worse. Take a look for example on > maemofrance.fr they say to all their readers that if they want > interesting apps they should add extras-devel in ham... but as you can > see there is many things that can break device in extras-devel > actually. > > "the developers have to understand that the testers are not slaves" > I didn't consider testers as slaves, but i consider today myself as > slave of the qa testing process. > > "If you drop out of Extras then you are not only causing damage to the > community (due to the proliferation of repositories) but also severely > limiting your access to users." > > The purpose isn't to causing damage to the community, but it s > actually too borring to trying to publish things to extras than > creating my own repository which is, i think, actually the better > solution i have ... The worst is stopping all publications of my > applications ... or just put the source code on my web site and > letting user installing it manually. At least i know 3 developpers > currently which consider to not upload to extras. And instead of that > creating there own repository, i didn't know there real reason ... i > just can imagine. > > The other solution i see is creating my own Application Installer ... > there is already two, one for maemo repository and one for ovi ... > adding an other one will be really confuse. > > But if there is someone which want to made the packages and publish it > to extras he is welcome. > > Actually i'm just trying to found the best solution, but i think in a > near future i ll not publish anythings anymore to "extras". > > 2010/3/8 Matan Ziv-Av <ma...@svgalib.org>: > > On Mon, 8 Mar 2010, Graham Cobb wrote: > > > >> On Monday 08 March 2010 13:09:52 Benoît HERVIER wrote: > >>>> > >>>> 2010/3/8 Thomas Perl <th.p...@gmail.com>: > >>>> "I don't know if Khertan's problem is technical or political" > >>> > >>> The both, as i'm tired of fighting against bug and wrong thumb down in > >>> QA Testing. > >> > >> Thomas, I was not aware that there was a problem with the autobuilder, > >> with no > >> workround, preventing some packages from building. That is definitely a > >> severe problem and I will certainly push hard for a solution. Thank you > >> for > >> your efforts and your patience. > >> > >> Benoît, I am very disappointed that you have decided to create a > separate > >> repository. I am not sure if you were around in the early days, with > the > >> 770, but the proliferation of repositories made things unmanageable for > >> both > >> users and developers, even with the very small number of users we had > >> then. > >> The problem was not just finding packages: the worst problems were > >> incompatabilites that prevented two packages from even being installed > on > >> the > >> same system! Re-creating that mess is no solution to even the most > serious > >> problems we have today. > > > > Why not have another repository (called extras-authors), describe it as > > repository of programs that their authors think are good enough for > users, > > and allow authors sole discretion on promoting their packages from > > extras-devel to extras-authors. As long as the name is neutral, and the > > wiki/forum/mail-list are not full of warnings in size 72 blinking red > > letters that this repository certainly without any doubt will destroy > your > > device, I am sure most of those who have seperate repositories will > prefer > > to use such repository. I know that I will. > > After all, this is how extras repository worked in chinook/diablo, and I > > think it worked very well. > > > > > > -- > > Matan. > > _______________________________________________ > > maemo-developers mailing list > > maemo-developers@maemo.org > > https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers > > > > > > > > -- > Benoît HERVIER - http://khertan.net/ > _______________________________________________ > maemo-developers mailing list > maemo-developers@maemo.org > https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers >
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