On Mon, 2011-11-28 at 15:25 +0100, Oliver Burger wrote: > Am Montag, 28. November 2011, 15:10:01 schrieb Florian Hubold: > > Am 28.11.2011 14:55, schrieb Guillaume Rousse: > > > I'm more and more concerned about this whole attitude: "you guys should > > > make my own life easier, because other already do it". That's just > > > plain consumerism. > > Uhmm, converse argument would that you want to make your life > > (and also that of other distribution users) harder because you don't > > want to be that consumer-like? Doesn't sound that reasonable to me, > > and please remember, it's not always plain black vs. white decisions. > > > > I can live without a get-teamviewer package, but just because of the facts > > that i'm able to install/troubleshoot it without help, because i know > > the tools to do this (rpm/urpmi) and doing that for a long time. > > > > In the end the question should be: Do we want to make the distribution > > just for ourselves, just for the sake of having "our own" linux distro, > > or do we want also some other people to use it, who aren't IT > > specialists, programmers or rocket scientists? > > I don't agree. I do think our main goal should be to provide a good linux > distro with as few proprietary packages as possible. > > Ok, if it is about drivers, there's not a real choice, so I do advocate > providing the nvidia/amd drivers for the graphics cards, the partly > proprietary drivers for some network cards (especially wlan). > This is a question of usability of the distro. > > But I don't like us providing more and more nonfree applications. > It really is not that difficult to install things like flash, skype, > teamviewer > and so on. > In my eyes it would be the far better solution to provide documentation on > how > to install them then provide a lot of those "get-foo" packages. > > Although "easy usability" is a good thing, people should remember they are > working on the most complex machine they do have in their homes. > While nobody expects to be able to use a modern video recorder without > reading > the manual first, everybody expects to be able to use a far more complex > machine like a computer without reading anyting? > > I don't like to support that view, so why not tell people: > "We are an OpenSource project and our goal is to support OpenSource software. > Now it is possible to install your precious applications, just look at this > wiki page and you will be able to do it without a problem, but be aware, that > is proprietary software and it would be better to find OpenSource > alternatives." > > Oliver
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