-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Jul 7, 2006, at 12:08 AM, Brad Knowles wrote:
> One thing that really concerns me is excessive complexity in the user > interface. As a MacOS X/Safari user, I've found so damn bloody > many web > sites that are totally hosed for me, regardless of whether I allow > them to > use JavaScript or not. Virtually every single web page designer > I've ever > met has always had Windows/Internet Explorer on the brain, and they > don't > care about anything else. In fact, I honestly believe that many of > them > actively work to break their websites on all other types of > browsers and > platforms, just so that they can force you to use Windows and Internet > Explorer. OTOH, I've used Linux and OSX, and before that NeXT, Solaris and various Unixes for (unfortunately, way :) longer than there's been a web, and except for the Windows programming I do at work, haven't ever used IE for any substantial amount of time. I'm not excusing poor sites or Windows-specific sites, but for the most part, these days most sites are at least usable with Firefox on various platforms. (The one sole recent exception was the SQLAlchemy doc pages which gave Firefox fits but rendered just fine in Safari -- and I'm sure those guys didn't tailor their pages for IE.). Yeah, you hit the occasional WMV or ActiveX laden site, but I'm much more bugged by the Flash-only sites that are an avoidable annoyance for me, but I can imagine are a scream-out-loud frustration for screen reader based users. > Now, I know that you're not that kind of person, and you will actively > test your work with MacOS X/Safari, and as many other browser/OS > platforms > you can. But the more complexity that is built into the user > interface, > the higher the likelihood is that something will accidentally happen > somewhere to seriously break something for someone else. Actually, I think skilled and judicious use of modern web technology can help to /reduce/ the complexity of Mailman's interface. Something I constantly struggle with is the plethora of configuration variables (both via the web u/i and in mm_cfg.py) that makes the system highly complicated. I would love to have a self-discoverable interface, or an interface that can be used to selectively reveal just the parts you're interested. - -Barry -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (Darwin) iQCVAwUBRK3kGXEjvBPtnXfVAQJfrQQAoYkRLIATvJrLsM2kx88DF4UZHbeoXXZI CrIhzM2URy+IIcRMQCBn8jfqnyIeTvVUcemHiCjpDyhyVEuYlYXtvjT9d5W9DrjR OW3rlDViFfuEA6NSU+/QS8YDhokpf2tLpbdKiKLdqgiAdMGR8+jhHFEsmbsha79d xX7xKMzNmOY= =/Mp9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Mailman-Developers mailing list Mailman-Developers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-developers Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-developers%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-developers/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.027.htp