>On Jul 7, 2006, at 12:08 AM, Brad Knowles wrote: > > >OTOH, I've used Linux and OSX, and before that NeXT, Solaris and >various Unixes for (unfortunately, way :) longer than there's been a >web, and except for the Windows programming I do at work, haven't >ever used IE for any substantial amount of time. I'm not excusing >poor sites or Windows-specific sites, but for the most part, these >days most sites are at least usable with Firefox on various >platforms. (The one sole recent exception was the SQLAlchemy doc >pages which gave Firefox fits but rendered just fine in Safari -- and >I'm sure those guys didn't tailor their pages for IE.). Yeah, you >hit the occasional WMV or ActiveX laden site, but I'm much more >bugged by the Flash-only sites that are an avoidable annoyance for >me, but I can imagine are a scream-out-loud frustration for screen >reader based users.
As a screen reader person I will say that Flash-only can be made to work, there is accessible flash, but it is rarely done. If it isn't implemented, a site can be useless, however you can do a good job, my department did a whole web training thing in accessible flash, and it works fine for blind users -- which is good since > > Now, I know that you're not that kind of person, and you will actively > > test your work with MacOS X/Safari, and as many other browser/OS > > platforms > > you can. But the more complexity that is built into the user > > interface, > > the higher the likelihood is that something will accidentally happen > > somewhere to seriously break something for someone else. > >Actually, I think skilled and judicious use of modern web technology >can help to /reduce/ the complexity of Mailman's interface. >Something I constantly struggle with is the plethora of configuration >variables (both via the web u/i and in mm_cfg.py) that makes the >system highly complicated. I would love to have a self-discoverable >interface, or an interface that can be used to selectively reveal >just the parts you're interested. > >- -Barry > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (Darwin) > >iQCVAwUBRK3kGXEjvBPtnXfVAQJfrQQAoYkRLIATvJrLsM2kx88DF4UZHbeoXXZI >CrIhzM2URy+IIcRMQCBn8jfqnyIeTvVUcemHiCjpDyhyVEuYlYXtvjT9d5W9DrjR >OW3rlDViFfuEA6NSU+/QS8YDhokpf2tLpbdKiKLdqgiAdMGR8+jhHFEsmbsha79d >xX7xKMzNmOY= >=/Mp9 >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >_______________________________________________ >Mailman-Developers mailing list >Mailman-Developers@python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-developers >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >Searchable Archives: >http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-developers%40python.org/ >Unsubscribe: >http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-developers/dandrews%40visi.com > >Security Policy: >http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.027.htp David Andrews and white cane Harry. _______________________________________________ Mailman-Developers mailing list Mailman-Developers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-developers Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-developers%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-developers/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.027.htp