On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, at 12:14 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
> brian_carpen...@emwd.com writes:
>
> > After much thought, I have decided to break away from the use of
> > Postorius/Hyperkitty. Tomorrow a PHP developer will begin work on
> > brand new admin interface on my behalf. Here are my goals:
>
> I do have some comments. :-)
>
> Before any details, I'll say the core developers applaud this effort.
> Though we'd like to think Postorius and HyperKitty are great as far as
> they go, we've always believed that there are many uses cases for
> Mailman they can't serve well. That includes but is not limited to
> close integration with integrated platforms such as cPanel and
> ticketing systems.
>
> > 2. To provide an easy installation approach to the setup and
> > portability of the admin interface.
>
> This is likely to limit the use cases. I encourage you to think
> carefully about that, and to prioritize the cases you know very well,
> such as the needs of hosting service administrators. I won't be
> surprised if you make a lot of ordinary users (subscribers) happy too,
> but don't get overambitious.
>
> > 3. To reveal everything that Mailman core has via the new admin
> > interface
>
> I myself am not sure why, but Barry has stated that it's hard to do
> this, at least in the face of current pace of development of Mailman 3
> core. I love Barry and deeply respect his judgment, but I find the
> idea itself offensive :-), so dealing with it on the core side is on
> my own TODO list. Let's cooperate!
>
> > and perhaps to bring in additional features such as the ability
> > to migrate a Mailman 2 list into a Mailman 3 list from a browser
> > interface.
>
> This is already possible in Postorius and HyperKitty for
> "well-behaved" Mailman 2 lists. Unfortunately I don't have a
> definition of "well-behaved" (yet, and I don't think it's easy to
> do). :-/ OTOH, from our point of view, this is a site administrator
> decision, so doing the conversion at Mailman 3 installation time and
> the site administrator's convenience is the logical process.
>
> Do you have a specific use case for this? Do you have users (list
> administrators or virtual domain administrators) who want to try
> Mailman 3 lists but continue some of their lists with Mailman 2? (I
> still think this is unlikely to be something core development would
> prioritize, but I'd like to have real data about it.)
>
> > 4. To bring in the use of stats that a list admin would like to see
> > such as overall number of list members, which list is generating
> > the most bounces, subscription/unsubscription rates, etc.
>
> These are surely going to require core-side features. Speaking for
> myself, they are desirable features, and I'm pretty sure the core
> developers will agree.
>
> These features (and more) are already implemented in the Systers forks
> of Mailman. I can introduce some of their developers (if interested,
> let's talk off-list, I don't have names and contacts off-hand).
>
> > 5. To provide a list creation wizard for list admins that will
> > automatically create a list that has preset settings in place
> > based upon the input during the list creation wizard.
>
> Again, this is going to require cooperation from core. We have a
> feature called "list templates" for Mailman 3 in core, which we intend
> to expose fully in Postorius and populate with common templates. Ask
> Abhilash, who knows it best I think.
>
IIUC, what Brian needs is basically an ability to create "List Styles" in
the web ui instead of having to make a code change for that purpose.
Templates are mostly meant for emails sent out via Mailman in response to
various events.
> > The name of the new admin interface: Affinity
>
> "Affinity for Mailman [3]". I like it!
>
> Steve
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thanks,
Abhilash Raj (maxking)
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