Hello Stephen,

> I do want to be sensitive to people still using old browsers

Which browsers are supposed to be supported by django-mailman3, Postorius and 
Hyperkitty?

> So I encourage you to continue work on Postorius and its dependencies
> About the "size of change" estimate, when you do have a handle on that …

If the currently proposed changes do not progress, it makes no sense to look 
how to further decrease the dependency on jQuery.

Greetings // Дилян


-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen J. Turnbull <[email protected]>
To: Дилян Палаузов <[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: [Mailman-Developers]  Re: Review “Less jQuery” changes
Date: 25/02/26 08:23:16

Hi Дилян (it's been 30 years since I briefly studied Cyrillic, forgive
me for copy/pasting ;-)

Your logic sounds good to me, and I gather the use cases in HyperKitty
are different from those in Postorius.  So I encourage you to continue
work on Postorius and its dependencies (I think that's just
django-mailman3), but be careful about proceeding on HyperKitty.

As someone whose "roadwarrior" notebook is a 2016 Mac and primary work
tool is XEmacs which hasn't done anything really new since 2010, I do
want to be sensitive to people still using old browsers -- if there
are any, I bet you'll find them among Mailman admins!  I would
appreciate it if you keep notes about where there are changes that do
NOT have no-javascript alternatives.  Abhilash has been doing some
work about making the Django apps more no-javascript friendly, so I
don't think worries about extreme backward compatibility should stop
this kind of modernization.

About the "size of change" estimate, when you do have a handle on that
please post here briefly about that and any other interesting aspects
of the work.

Steve


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Software systems consulting in Europe, North America, and Japan
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