CC'ed to -developers to note that pipermail's threading seems either
broken/fragile, and to note that the mbox archives for the -users
list are borked (early apparency is that Pipermail is excessively
restrictive on In-Reply-To header field formats).

On Mon, 05 Nov 2001 08:18:55 +0100 
Lucas Hofman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Friday 02 November 2001 09:53, J C Lawrence wrote:
>> On Fri, 02 Nov 2001 10:42:33 +0100

>> exmh.  Quoting the headers from this very message:
>> 
>> In-Reply-To: Message from Lucas Hofman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> of
>> "Fri, 02 Nov 2001 10:42:33 +0100."
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> References:
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> There are gone when the message arrives at my workstation (at
> least, kmail 'show all headers' does not reveal them). Neither in
> the copy received from your not the one sent by the list.

Which is then a problem with your mail setup, and is not specific to
either the mail I send, or the mailman lists at Python.Org.  Quoting
the full headers from another message I sent to this forum:

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Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] resolving qfiles stuck in the queue
From: J C Lawrence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 12:41:25 -0800
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Unfortunately the mbox files for the archives at python.org are
borked, but checking other posts of mine there universally show
correct in-Reply-To: and References: headers.  eg:

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>From [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Thu Nov  1 18:00:37 2001
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (J C Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 10:00:37 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] threaded view on archive does not work
In-Reply-To: Message from Lucas Hofman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 of "Thu, 01 Nov 2001 11:30:22 +0100." 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Do you have any any why your messages do not hread in the mailman
> user maillist archive? 

No.

> In other words, could it be that the mail
> system at python.org does not see those headers too?

No.  This would appear to be another Pipermail bug.  As you can see
here:

  http://www.kanga.nu/archives/MUD-Dev-L/2001Q4/thread.php#00434

my messages thread properly under MHonArc (a tool I know handles
thread headers properly).

-- 
J C Lawrence
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]               He lived as a devil, eh?
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.

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