At 12:00 PM +0100 2004-06-28, Richard Barrett wrote:
Steve, the author of the original question, is correct about there having been a list for mailman list owners which was operational until quite recently: http://listowner.org and [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Indeed, after seeing that message, I re-checked the list of mailman mailing lists at <http://www.list.org/lists.html> and noticed that it was there. I don't know why, but I must have missed that every single previous time I saw that page.
But it has dropped off the radar of late; the most recent post to it I received is dated April 2004
There seems to have been some problems with it before then -- see Barry's message dated Mon Jan 12 18:28:24 EST 2004 at <http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2004-January/033888.html>.
The listowner.org DNS entries are still there but I have no idea what has happened to the site or mailing lists associated.
It looks like it's off-the-air:
% lft www.listowner.org.
Tracing _____________________________________________________________________
TTL LFT trace to airband-69-26-234-42.airband.net (69.26.234.42):80/tcp ** [neglected] no reply packets received from TTL 1 2 1-233.242.81.adsl.skynet.be (81.242.233.1) 23.5ms 3 at-0-2-0--0-224.iadslbnc1.isp.belgacom.be (80.201.237.73) 39.7ms 4 ge1-0.intlmar1.isp.belgacom.be (194.78.0.147) 31.8ms 5 ge-8-1.hsa2.brussels1.level3.net (212.3.234.177) 23.3ms 6 so-5-0-0.mp2.brussels1.level3.net (4.68.113.205) 21.5ms 7 so-3-0-0.mp1.london2.level3.net (212.187.128.46) 21.8ms 8 as-0-0.bbr2.washington1.level3.net (4.68.128.102) 105.9ms 9 so-7-0-0.edge1.washington1.level3.net (209.244.11.14) 107.6ms 10 ge-2-2-0--101.er01.asbn.eli.net (207.173.144.29) 109.2ms 11 so-2-0-0--0.cr02.mcln.eli.net (207.173.115.109) 109.6ms 12 p10-0.cr01.dlls.eli.net (207.173.115.65) 149.8ms 13 srp2-0.cr02.dlls.eli.net (208.186.20.66) 145.8ms 14 p7-0.cr02.phnx.eli.net (207.173.114.113) 165.9ms 15 srp0-0-0.gw02.phnx.eli.net (208.186.20.114) 167.0ms 16 gw-cust-airband2-dom.phnx.eli.net (216.190.193.162) 188.6ms 17 airband-69-26-225-126.airband.net (69.26.225.126) 176.1ms 18 airband-69-26-225-142.airband.net (69.26.225.142) 184.5ms ** [neglected] no reply packets received from TTL 19 20 airband-66-226-237-150.airband.net (66.226.237.150) 184.4ms ** [80/tcp failed] Try alternate options or use -V to see packets.
There is an advertised mail server:
% dig listowner.org. mx
; <<>> DiG 9.2.2 <<>> listowner.org. mx ;; global options: printcmd ;; Got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 8718 ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 4, ADDITIONAL: 0
;; QUESTION SECTION: ;listowner.org. IN MX
;; ANSWER SECTION: listowner.org. 86400 IN MX 0 sparky.cisto.org.
;; AUTHORITY SECTION: listowner.org. 86400 IN NS c.ns.cisto.org. listowner.org. 86400 IN NS ns1.cisto.com. listowner.org. 86400 IN NS ns2.cisto.com. listowner.org. 86400 IN NS b.ns.cisto.org.
;; Query time: 227 msec ;; WHEN: Mon Jun 28 13:47:57 2004 ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 140
However, all I get is a timeout when I try to connect to this machine:
% telnet sparky.cisto.org. 25 Trying 69.26.234.42... telnet: connect to address 69.26.234.42: Operation timed out telnet: Unable to connect to remote host
I can trace to it fine, though:
% lft sparky.cisto.org.
Tracing _____________________________________________________________________
TTL LFT trace to airband-69-26-234-42.airband.net (69.26.234.42):80/tcp ** [neglected] no reply packets received from TTL 1 2 1-233.242.81.adsl.skynet.be (81.242.233.1) 23.5ms 3 at-0-2-0--0-224.iadslbnc1.isp.belgacom.be (80.201.237.73) 53.4ms 4 ge1-0.intlmar1.isp.belgacom.be (194.78.0.147) 23.4ms 5 ge-8-1.hsa2.brussels1.level3.net (212.3.234.177) 21.5ms 6 so-5-0-0.mp2.brussels1.level3.net (4.68.113.205) 30.2ms 7 so-3-0-0.mp1.london2.level3.net (212.187.128.46) 23.3ms 8 as-0-0.bbr2.washington1.level3.net (4.68.128.102) 106.0ms 9 so-7-0-0.edge1.washington1.level3.net (209.244.11.14) 108.5ms 10 ge-2-2-0--101.er01.asbn.eli.net (207.173.144.29) 110.2ms 11 so-2-0-0--0.cr02.mcln.eli.net (207.173.115.109) 108.1ms 12 p10-0.cr01.dlls.eli.net (207.173.115.65) 147.3ms 13 srp2-0.cr02.dlls.eli.net (208.186.20.66) 145.9ms 14 p7-0.cr02.phnx.eli.net (207.173.114.113) 167.9ms 15 srp0-0-0.gw02.phnx.eli.net (208.186.20.114) 186.0ms 16 gw-cust-airband2-dom.phnx.eli.net (216.190.193.162) 186.6ms 17 airband-69-26-225-126.airband.net (69.26.225.126) 184.4ms 18 airband-69-26-225-142.airband.net (69.26.225.142) 190.5ms ** [neglected] no reply packets received from TTL 19 20 airband-66-226-237-150.airband.net (66.226.237.150) 186.5ms ** [80/tcp failed] Try alternate options or use -V to see packets.
Maybe we need to give Norbert a call? Unfortunately, while his address appears to be in Switzerland, the phone number appears to be in the US:
% whois -h whois.pir.org. listowner.org
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Domain ID:D86029934-LROR Domain Name:LISTOWNER.ORG Created On:27-Apr-2002 15:12:34 UTC Last Updated On:08-Jan-2004 20:37:06 UTC Expiration Date:27-Apr-2005 15:12:34 UTC Sponsoring Registrar:R63-LROR Status:CLIENT TRANSFER PROHIBITED Registrant ID:NB2023-BR Registrant Name:Norbert Bollow Registrant Organization:Norbert Bollow Registrant Street1:Weidlistrasse 18 Registrant City:Gr|t Registrant State/Province:Switzerlan Registrant Postal Code:8624 Registrant Country:US Registrant Email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Admin ID:NB1852-BR Admin Name:Norbert Bollow Admin Organization:listowner.org Admin Street1:Weidlistrasse 18 Admin City:Gruet Admin State/Province:Switzerlan Admin Postal Code:CH-8624 Admin Country:US Admin Phone:+1.4119722059 Admin Email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tech ID:NB1852-BR Tech Name:Norbert Bollow Tech Organization:listowner.org Tech Street1:Weidlistrasse 18 Tech City:Gruet Tech State/Province:Switzerlan Tech Postal Code:CH-8624 Tech Country:US Tech Phone:+1.4119722059 Tech Email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Name Server:B.NS.CISTO.ORG Name Server:C.NS.CISTO.ORG
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