kalin mintchev wrote:
That is the setting for the *automatic* process. Mailman will *automatically* send member posts to the list, and it will do something else with the non-member posts per your specification.Those messages aren't approved -- they're held.
ok, Brad. thanks. sure. they are held. held for approval. they are not "approved". true.
are they from subscribed members? some. most are not.
but the setting says members_postings_only = 'yes' (ONLY!)
ok.
but there are about 60-70% messages that come from non members. they are
held too. held for approval. or to be discarded. why?
Why not? For many lists this is the desired behavior.
i don't know. they are not members. they should not be held. at all
That is up for the list owner to configure.
in short the logic says: "no, they should not even considered to be held
for approval. they are sent to the list by non members (spammers). the
list is restricted so that ONLY members can post. that means any post from
anybody not on the list doesn't matter - it's not important. shouldn't be
held for approval."
That is but one possible configuration. See your list admin page at:
$domain/mailman/admin/$listname/privacy/sender
"When a message is posted to the list, a series of moderation steps are take to decide whether the a moderator must first approve the message or not. This section contains the controls for moderation of both member and non-member postings."
Note that there are a *series* of steps.
For some lists, even *members* are not allowed to post to the list (one-way or announcement lists). Those lists are configured at the settings for:
By default, should new list member postings be moderated? (set to "yes" for one-way lists)
Action to take when a moderated member posts to the list. (default is to "hold", you can also select "reject" or "discard")
For a discussion list where members are allowed to post, you then decide if you want mailman to *automatically* post posts from anyone, or only from members. You set this at:
Action to take for postings from non-members for which no explicit action is defined. (default is "hold")
Then you decide what you want done with the other posts. You set this at
Action to take for postings from non-members for which no explicit action is defined. The default is to "hold" but you can also select "accept", or "reject", or discard" as appropriate for YOUR list. The default is "hold" because you may wish to allow on-topic posts by non-members. This very list (mailman-users) allows posts of that nature - I'm one of the list admins who reviews the non-member posts and approves the on-topic ones to be sent on to the list. For other lists with other policies, you can elect to have non-member posts bounced or discarded if you prefer. That way each list owner can configure their list to meet their needs.
what is not clear in the statement members_postings_only='yes'?I think you are missing the big picture. There are many different ways that lists can be configured. The "only" term applies to the *automatic* handling by mailman, not to the choices made by the list owners and admins. Mailman automatically posts messages from "members only", and then the *default* option lets the list owner/admin decide what to do with the rest but this is something you can easily change as shown above.
'yes' or 'only'? i guess i'm hanging on "only". wouldn't you?
jc
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