Steve Burling said the following on 2006/08/31 07:55 PM: > Could we maybe leave this poor dead horse to rest in peace?
Only if I get a last word in edgewise :-) > Apparently, many of the posters to this list believe (with some > justification, imho) that it should take explicit action to undo safe > defaults, rather than requiring explicit action to set safe values. You > disagree. You've made that abundantly clear. Fine. We believe that you > disagree. Then you've misunderstood me. I don't disagree, and since turning the setting off have seen an immediate *and* significant increase in the amount of spam getting to open lists which answers a question I raised earlier. The point I was illustrating is that if you have to justify the rationale behind a default setting to a third-party-decision-maker -- what is the most appropriate and concise response? > But based on my (rather more than I care to contemplate) years in this > business, I think you're wrong. I may well be. However I dispute the reasoning that things are done a certain way 'just because that's the way they're done'. This thread has resulted in far more knowledge than I need convey on to my boss/clients, but it has been immensely useful too. Both in terms of my learning, and proposing alternate perspectives. Just because I present a point-of-view doesn't mean I agree with it. Nor does it invalidate it. I've heard arguments from developers critical of third parties modifying the software in a particular way and then failing to support it accordingly. I've heard arguments that the developers know what's best. I've questioned whether these approaches are based on developer-need, user-input or pure reasoning. I don't believe I've done anything a curious individual could be faulted for, nor do I see any evidence that people willing to take a moment's pause for a reasoned response reacting uncomfortably or being unwilling to share their experience or philosophy-of-approach. In closing, I needed a simple answer. I couldn't find one myself, so I asked. In return I learned far more than I requested, and developed an immediate respect for those who understood where I was coming from. In time perhaps those who endured irritation will understand. :-) -- | Bretton Vine | 083 633 8475 | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | GPG: http://bretton.hivemind.net/bretton_vine.asc | "All progress is based upon a universal innate desire on the part of every organism to live beyond its income." — Samuel Butler (1835-1902),British writer. ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.027.htp