well, attached are parts of the error and qrunner logs.. I also forgot to 
mention that I also delete the following files:

rm /var/lib/mailman/data/*.pck -f
rm /var/lock/mailman/*.* -f

the first one also eats up my little space on the hard drive, and the other 
locks the lists n they can’t send..

what I need to know, why the subscribers are being removed? is it because of 
misconfiguration of mailman? or because of outside MTA’s like yahoo and hotmail 
rejecting mail from my servers because I need to control the flow of messages 
going out from my servers?

another thing worth to mention, the servers are not blocked by hotmail because 
I sent single test messages from all my servers to some of my subscribers that 
were removed from my lists and they received them with no problems..

Thanks..

-----Original Message----- 
From: Mark Sapiro 
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 12:21 AM 
To: Khalil Abbas 
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] control mail distribution .. 

Khalil Abbas wrote:
>
>if the bounce runner keeps dying, then why the subscribers keep being
>removed??


Because it doesn't die always? You're the one with the logs and other
evidence that might enable someone to answer this.


>and I understand the conclusion to my previously asked question,
>deleting these files does not get the subscribers to be removed right?


Right. Deleting *.pck files from /var/spool/mailman/bounce will result
in those specific bounce messages (each file is one queued bounce
message) being lost and therefore not processed.

Likewise, deleting bounce-events-*.pck files from
/var/lib/mailman/data/ will in the case of active files result in the
bounce information in the file being unprocessed, and in the case of
"dead" files have no effect because whatever residual bounce info is
in those files is lost.

In any event, removing these files will result only in bounce scores
not being incremented and subscribers not being removed, not the
reverse.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <m...@msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan
Dec 26 17:46:13 2010 (2713) Uncaught runner exception: No terminating boundary 
and no trailing empty line
Dec 26 17:46:13 2010 (2713) Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 100, in _oneloop
    msg, msgdata = self._switchboard.dequeue(filebase)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py", line 164, in dequeue
    msg = email.message_from_string(msg, Message.Message)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/pythonlib/email/__init__.py", line 51, in 
message_from_string
    return Parser(_class, strict=strict).parsestr(s)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/pythonlib/email/Parser.py", line 75, in parsestr
    return self.parse(StringIO(text), headersonly=headersonly)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/pythonlib/email/Parser.py", line 64, in parse
    self._parsebody(root, fp, firstbodyline)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/pythonlib/email/Parser.py", line 240, in _parsebody
    msgobj = self.parsestr(part)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/pythonlib/email/Parser.py", line 75, in parsestr
    return self.parse(StringIO(text), headersonly=headersonly)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/pythonlib/email/Parser.py", line 64, in parse
    self._parsebody(root, fp, firstbodyline)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/pythonlib/email/Parser.py", line 265, in _parsebody
    msg = self.parse(fp)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/pythonlib/email/Parser.py", line 64, in parse
    self._parsebody(root, fp, firstbodyline)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/pythonlib/email/Parser.py", line 206, in _parsebody
    raise Errors.BoundaryError(
BoundaryError: No terminating boundary and no trailing empty line

Dec 26 17:46:13 2010 (2713) Ignoring unparseable message: 
1261890493.6614549+8db682ba8e522326f43eb6d66cb90b9f57499ebe
Dec 26 17:46:13 2010 (2713) Uncaught runner exception: No terminating boundary 
and no trailing empty line
Dec 26 17:46:13 2010 (2713) Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 100, in _oneloop
    msg, msgdata = self._switchboard.dequeue(filebase)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py", line 164, in dequeue
    msg = email.message_from_string(msg, Message.Message)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/pythonlib/email/__init__.py", line 51, in 
message_from_string
    return Parser(_class, strict=strict).parsestr(s)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/pythonlib/email/Parser.py", line 75, in parsestr
    return self.parse(StringIO(text), headersonly=headersonly)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/pythonlib/email/Parser.py", line 64, in parse
    self._parsebody(root, fp, firstbodyline)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/pythonlib/email/Parser.py", line 240, in _parsebody
    msgobj = self.parsestr(part)
RetryRunner qrunner caught SIGHUP.  Reopening logs.
Jan 16 04:02:54 2011 (2685) ArchRunner qrunner caught SIGHUP.  Reopening logs.
Jan 16 04:02:54 2011 (2686) BounceRunner qrunner caught SIGHUP.  Reopening logs.
Jan 16 04:02:54 2011 (2687) CommandRunner qrunner caught SIGHUP.  Reopening 
logs.
Jan 16 04:02:54 2011 (2665) Master watcher caught SIGHUP.  Re-opening log files.
Jan 16 18:17:53 2011 (2665) Master watcher caught SIGTERM.  Exiting.
Jan 16 18:17:53 2011 (2688) IncomingRunner qrunner caught SIGTERM.  Stopping.
Jan 16 18:17:53 2011 (2688) IncomingRunner qrunner exiting.
Jan 16 18:17:53 2011 (2687) CommandRunner qrunner caught SIGTERM.  Stopping.
Jan 16 18:17:53 2011 (2687) CommandRunner qrunner exiting.
Jan 16 18:17:53 2011 (2689) NewsRunner qrunner caught SIGTERM.  Stopping.
Jan 16 18:17:53 2011 (2689) NewsRunner qrunner exiting.
Jan 16 18:17:53 2011 (2686) BounceRunner qrunner caught SIGTERM.  Stopping.
Jan 16 18:17:53 2011 (2699) OutgoingRunner qrunner caught SIGTERM.  Stopping.
Jan 16 18:17:53 2011 (2699) OutgoingRunner qrunner exiting.
Jan 16 18:17:53 2011 (2686) BounceRunner qrunner exiting.
Jan 16 18:17:53 2011 (2685) ArchRunner qrunner caught SIGTERM.  Stopping.
Jan 16 18:17:53 2011 (2685) ArchRunner qrunner exiting.
Jan 16 18:17:53 2011 (2700) VirginRunner qrunner caught SIGTERM.  Stopping.
Jan 16 18:17:53 2011 (2700) VirginRunner qrunner exiting.
Jan 16 18:17:53 2011 (2701) RetryRunner qrunner caught SIGTERM.  Stopping.
Jan 16 18:17:53 2011 (2701) RetryRunner qrunner exiting.
Jan 16 18:17:53 2011 (2665) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit
(pid: 2685, sig: None, sts: 15, class: ArchRunner, slice: 1/1) 
Jan 16 18:17:53 2011 (2665) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit
(pid: 2687, sig: None, sts: 15, class: CommandRunner, slice: 1/1) 
Jan 16 18:17:53 2011 (2665) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit
(pid: 2688, sig: None, sts: 15, class: IncomingRunner, slice: 1/1) 
Jan 16 18:17:53 2011 (2665) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit
(pid: 2689, sig: None, sts: 15, class: NewsRunner, slice: 1/1) 
Jan 16 18:17:53 2011 (2665) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit
(pid: 2699, sig: None, sts: 15, class: OutgoingRunner, slice: 1/1) 
Jan 16 18:17:53 2011 (2665) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit
(pid: 2700, sig: None, sts: 15, class: VirginRunner, slice: 1/1) 
Jan 16 18:17:53 2011 (2665) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit
(pid: 2701, sig: None, sts: 15, class: RetryRunner, slice: 1/1) 
Jan 16 18:17:53 2011 (2665) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit
(pid: 2686, sig: None, sts: 15, class: BounceRunner, slice: 1/1) 
Jan 16 18:19:41 2011 (2711) ArchRunner qrunner started.
Jan 16 18:19:42 2011 (2713) CommandRunner qrunner started.
Jan 16 18:19:42 2011 (2718) RetryRunner qrunner started.
Jan 16 18:19:42 2011 (2715) NewsRunner qrunner started.
Jan 16 18:19:42 2011 (2714) IncomingRunner qrunner started.
Jan 16 18:19:43 2011 (2716) OutgoingRunner qrunner started.
Jan 16 18:19:44 2011 (2717) VirginRunner qrunner started.
Jan 16 18:19:46 2011 (2712) BounceRunner qrunner started.
Jan 17 00:08:48 2011 (2666) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit
(pid: 2712, sig: 6, sts: None, class: BounceRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting]
Jan 17 00:08:49 2011 (1994) BounceRunner qrunner started.
Jan 17 17:11:34 2011 (1994) BounceRunner qrunner caught SIGTERM.  Stopping.
Jan 17 17:11:34 2011 (2711) ArchRunner qrunner caught SIGTERM.  Stopping.
Jan 17 17:11:34 2011 (2711) ArchRunner qrunner exiting.
Jan 17 17:11:34 2011 (1994) BounceRunner qrunner exiting.
Jan 17 17:11:34 2011 (2713) CommandRunner qrunner caught SIGTERM.  Stopping.
Jan 17 17:11:34 2011 (2713) CommandRunner qrunner exiting.
Jan 17 17:11:34 2011 (2714) IncomingRunner qrunner caught SIGTERM.  Stopping.
Jan 17 17:11:34 2011 (2714) IncomingRunner qrunner exiting.
Jan 17 17:11:34 2011 (2717) VirginRunner qrunner caught SIGTERM.  Stopping.
Jan 17 17:11:34 2011 (2717) VirginRunner qrunner exiting.
Jan 17 17:11:34 2011 (2716) OutgoingRunner qrunner caught SIGTERM.  Stopping.
Jan 17 17:11:34 2011 (2716) OutgoingRunner qrunner exiting.
Jan 17 17:11:34 2011 (2718) RetryRunner qrunner caught SIGTERM.  Stopping.
Jan 17 17:11:34 2011 (2718) RetryRunner qrunner exiting.
Jan 17 17:11:34 2011 (2666) Master watcher caught SIGTERM.  Exiting.
Jan 17 17:11:34 2011 (2715) NewsRunner qrunner caught SIGTERM.  Stopping.
Jan 17 17:11:34 2011 (2715) NewsRunner qrunner exiting.
Jan 17 17:11:34 2011 (2666) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit
(pid: 2713, sig: None, sts: 15, class: CommandRunner, slice: 1/1) 
Jan 17 17:11:35 2011 (2666) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit
(pid: 2711, sig: None, sts: 15, class: ArchRunner, slice: 1/1) 
Jan 17 17:11:35 2011 (2666) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit
(pid: 2714, sig: None, sts: 15, class: IncomingRunner, slice: 1/1) 
Jan 17 17:11:35 2011 (2666) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit
(pid: 2715, sig: None, sts: 15, class: NewsRunner, slice: 1/1) 
Jan 17 17:11:35 2011 (2666) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit
(pid: 2717, sig: None, sts: 15, class: VirginRunner, slice: 1/1) 
Jan 17 17:11:35 2011 (2666) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit
(pid: 2718, sig: None, sts: 15, class: RetryRunner, slice: 1/1) 
Jan 17 17:11:35 2011 (2666) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit
(pid: 1994, sig: None, sts: 15, class: BounceRunner, slice: 1/1) 
Jan 17 17:11:35 2011 (2666) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit
(pid: 2716, sig: None, sts: 15, class: OutgoingRunner, slice: 1/1) 
Jan 17 17:13:29 2011 (2688) ArchRunner qrunner started.
Jan 17 17:13:29 2011 (2691) IncomingRunner qrunner started.
Jan 17 17:13:29 2011 (2690) CommandRunner qrunner started.
Jan 17 17:13:29 2011 (2692) NewsRunner qrunner started.
Jan 17 17:13:30 2011 (2693) OutgoingRunner qrunner started.
Jan 17 17:13:30 2011 (2696) RetryRunner qrunner started.
Jan 17 17:13:31 2011 (2694) VirginRunner qrunner started.
Jan 17 17:13:33 2011 (2689) BounceRunner qrunner started.
Jan 17 20:29:32 2011 (2688) ArchRunner qrunner caught SIGTERM.  Stopping.
Jan 17 20:29:32 2011 (2688) ArchRunner qrunner exiting.
Jan 17 20:29:32 2011 (2689) BounceRunner qrunner caught SIGTERM.  Stopping.
Jan 17 20:29:32 2011 (2689) BounceRunner qrunner exiting.
Jan 17 20:29:32 2011 (2691) IncomingRunner qrunner caught SIGTERM.  Stopping.
Jan 17 20:29:32 2011 (2691) IncomingRunner qrunner exiting.
Jan 17 20:29:32 2011 (2692) NewsRunner qrunner caught SIGTERM.  Stopping.
Jan 17 20:29:32 2011 (2692) NewsRunner qrunner exiting.
Jan 17 20:29:32 2011 (2693) OutgoingRunner qrunner caught SIGTERM.  Stopping.
Jan 17 20:29:32 2011 (2693) OutgoingRunner qrunner exiting.
Jan 17 20:29:32 2011 (2690) CommandRunner qrunner caught SIGTERM.  Stopping.
Jan 17 20:29:32 2011 (2690) CommandRunner qrunner exiting.
Jan 17 20:29:32 2011 (2694) VirginRunner qrunner caught SIGTERM.  Stopping.
Jan 17 20:29:32 2011 (2694) VirginRunner qrunner exiting.
Jan 17 20:29:33 2011 (2696) RetryRunner qrunner caught SIGTERM.  Stopping.
Jan 17 20:29:33 2011 (2696) RetryRunner qrunner exiting.
Jan 17 20:29:33 2011 (2668) Master watcher caught SIGTERM.  Exiting.
Jan 17 20:29:33 2011 (2668) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit
(pid: 2688, sig: None, sts: 15, class: ArchRunner, slice: 1/1) 
Jan 17 20:29:33 2011 (2668) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit
(pid: 2689, sig: None, sts: 15, class: BounceRunner, slice: 1/1) 
Jan 17 20:29:33 2011 (2668) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit
(pid: 2690, sig: None, sts: 15, class: CommandRunner, slice: 1/1) 
Jan 17 20:29:33 2011 (2668) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit
(pid: 2691, sig: None, sts: 15, class: IncomingRunner, slice: 1/1) 
Jan 17 20:29:33 2011 (2668) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit
(pid: 2692, sig: None, sts: 15, class: NewsRunner, slice: 1/1) 
Jan 17 20:29:33 2011 (2668) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit
(pid: 2693, sig: None, sts: 15, class: OutgoingRunner, slice: 1/1) 
Jan 17 20:29:33 2011 (2668) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit
(pid: 2696, sig: None, sts: 15, class: RetryRunner, slice: 1/1) 
Jan 17 20:29:33 2011 (2668) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit
(pid: 2694, sig: None, sts: 15, class: VirginRunner, slice: 1/1) 
Jan 17 20:31:34 2011 (2688) ArchRunner qrunner started.
Jan 17 20:31:34 2011 (2690) CommandRunner qrunner started.
Jan 17 20:31:34 2011 (2692) NewsRunner qrunner started.
Jan 17 20:31:35 2011 (2691) IncomingRunner qrunner started.
Jan 17 20:31:35 2011 (2695) RetryRunner qrunner started.
Jan 17 20:31:35 2011 (2693) OutgoingRunner qrunner started.
Jan 17 20:31:36 2011 (2694) VirginRunner qrunner started.
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