On Wed, 18 Apr 2012, Wayne Cook wrote:

Your article is a LIFESAVER Larry, and I can GUARENTEE YOU that I'm in over
my head!
Hopefully with help I can muddle through this and learn something...the
links to the screen shots should work now:

http://www.mycoachonline.com/mailmanshots/

Screenshots of OS X windows aren't all that useful. They're just showing us that a file of the given name exists somewhere. It doesn't show us if it's exactly the right place or the contents.

For the first window, two problems: 1) file name - as discussed in the previous note it should be start_mailman.sh and 2) more importantly, I'm pretty sure it's in the wrong directory. We want that in /var/root (at least we do if the that's where we told it would be mailman.plist)

Please do the following in Terminal and send me the output including everything you typed and everything returned in response:

cd /var/root
ls -l *mailman*
cat *mailman*.sh
cd /Library/LaunchDaemons
cat mailman.plist

The start obviously failed but any output from it should be logged in /var/log/system.log. Try:
grep -i mailman /var/log/system.log
and include any output returned.


-- Larry Stone
   lston...@stonejongleux.com

      On Wed, 18 Apr 2012, Wayne Cook wrote:

            I'm trying to move mailman from OSX server to OSX
            client on a mac mini with OSX 10.6 installed on the
            machine.


            I'm not a terminal expert, but can usually follow
            and figure things out, so I'm attempting to follow
            these instructions as closely as possible:


            http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2010-May/069385.html


      I'm the author of that.

            Obviously I'm not doing something correctly because
            stuff isn't giving me the correct response when I
            check to see what python processes are running.


            I have some screen shots here:


            http://www.mycoachonline.com/mailmanshots/


      Unfortunately, that page appears to be broken. Firefox just
      displays the alternate text and IE gives a red X.

            PS I think there is a typo in step 8 of the
            instructions, but I've tried it as written and the
            two ways that I think it should be written.  It says
            create "start_mailman.sh" and the next line is "vi
            mailman_start.sh", which may be correct if you know
            what you're doing, but to a novice like me it looks
            like one begins with start and the other begins with
            mailman...should it be as written or modified?


      That is an error. It is start_mailman.sh.

      But I am concerned that with three references in Step 8 to the
      file as start_mailman.sh and just the one as mailman_start.sh,
      you only THINK it's a typo. Even though it's Terminal and not a
      GUI, if you can't recognize that as an obvious typo, you might
      well be in over your head. Running server software requires an
      understanding of how things should be working to recognize when
      they're not working.

      And also, I assume familiarity with a Terminal text editor.
      While I've given you the format of the Terminal command to edit
      the file in vi (and vi is not the only way to edit a text file,
      it's just the one I know and use), I have not given you all the
      needed vi commands to create the file. If you merely typed the
      lines I said need to be be in the file without any vi commands,
      you did not end up with the file you need.

      -- Larry Stone
        lston...@stonejongleux.com
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