On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 04:31:41PM -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote: > That sounds good, but evidently, judging from the number of > Debian/Ubuntu packge users who come to this list with mail delivery > issues because they have ended up with some Postfix configuration that > combines Mailman aliases and postfix_to_mailman.py in incompatible > ways
They should be using Exim, and not the monstrosity that is pkg-exim4... ( http://wiki.debian.org/DefaultMTA#Popcon_report_and_install_size ) (I have a deep dislike of Postfix, my solution to dealing with postfix is `postconf -n > /root/postfix-perversions` and then `aptitude install exim4-daemon-heavy`) There does seem to be a disproportionate amount of postfix queries on this list, yes. > people don't look at the Debian documentation. But they don't. Part of this I think falls in to how apt handles STDOUT during an installation. Imagine, if you will, installing thirty or so packages, and each one, as it crops up, drops out a line or two; they're not going to be seen, necessarily. Rather than "ah, you should read your apt.log", my approach would be to amalgamate all of those to the end -- something I think Homebrew (and most Ruby Gems I've seen) does fantastically well. > They look at our > installation manual or some incompatible web HowTo and wind up with a > mess. > > I wish they all would read and comprehend the FAQ at > <http://wiki.list.org/x/OIDD>. I thought it was exim-users, or similar that would have in the /listinfo/ page something to the effect of, "use pkg-exim4-users if you're a Debianista" -- that seems to have gone now. I think Nigel's on this list; am I mis-remembering? > >ONe of the reasons why installing from source is not exactly > >straight-forward is that Debian has conventions for things like the user > >accounts used for specific things. If you're going to compile Mailman > >from source on a Debian-based system, you'll need to either undermine a > >lot of other things, or supply the appropriate configure flags so that > >Mailman uses the accounts that Debian uses. FWIW, I tend to use the Debian maintainers' versions of Exim, but have a couple of patches that are manually applied (well, the deployment system does them for me). Packaged versions of software may not always be the most up-to date version, but, for instance, IIRC, the XSS exploit was fixed-up fairly quickly after announcement (the heads-up probably helped) -- certainly more quickly than the time it would have taken for me to manually apply the patch, 'properly' (rather than doing it from mutt...). (If I wanted cutting edge, I'd use nightly/trunk from VCS... if it wasn't bzr (never been able to get my head around it).) -- "It is lack of confidence, more than anything else, that kills a civilisation. We can destroy ourselves by cynicism and disillusion, just as effectively as by bombs." -- Kenneth Clark ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
