On Tue, 2020-09-15 at 21:11 -0400, Brian Carpenter wrote:
> On 9/15/20 8:18 PM, Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users wrote:
> > A small group, including myself, are planning to present a proposal.  We
> > are in the early stage of defining what that will involve, but we are
> > all committed.  I've also, as you've probably seen on lp, been focused
> > on pushing my py3 changes for mm2 to get them to the point of usable
> > testing.  I'm not anti-mm3 but myself and some others certainly do see
> > the ongoing need for a MLM like mm2.
> 
> When you say py3, are you talking about python 3? Are you trying to make 
> mm2 python 3 compatible?

yes.

> 
> So this labor you and your group are looking to do for MM2, how is this 
> not going to take more time then just migrating to MM3? One of your 
> criticism is that MM3 is complex and it is difficult to install. How is 
> all of this effort you are making staying with a version of Mailman that 
> has been updated (MM2 to MM3), and uses an interface that is over 15 
> years old productive? 

How old is the technology and tools used to steer the vehicle you drive,
or the mechanics behind the blades that wipe the windshield?

> I don't see this path you are trying to take as 
> one that is less complex and difficult than just moving to a MM3 
> environment. 

Fair point.

> At this point, those who use MM2 via cPanel will most 
> likely not benefit from your efforts. Especially if you port MM2 to 
> python 3 (this is an assumption I am making). I don't think cPanel will 
> touch such a version at all.

I'm no fan of cpanel as I have stated many times before. This isn't for
them.

> By the way, with all the problems I have seen with some folks having a 
> difficult time with installing MM2 on this list, I think the arguments 
> that MM3 is too difficult to install (it's not) 

says the guy who paid someone to re-craft 2/3rds of it. O_o   :)


> weakens considerably. I 
> still think non-cPanel MM2 users' time is better spent learning to 
> install MM3 and using it. Or better yet use a Mailman 3 host provider 
> such as myself to make their lives considerably easier.
> 

-Jim P.


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