Hi David, I've just sent Benny an email related to a different issue with sender address selection; I'll forward him this one too, if he doesn't jump in.
Thanks, Alberto On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 11:34 AM, David Levy <entropyd...@mac.com> wrote: > Hi > > I agree that the behaviour you are describing is problematic. As you say > in your #2, MailMate should learn the correct sending account for your > address. > > (The heuristic about matching domains is a clever one and desirable, but I > do not believe it is part of the existing functionality.) > > Your experience is contrary to mine and what I believe is the correct > functionality in MailMate. In short, it seems like a bug and you should > file it as such with Benny if he does not jump in on this thread. I am > sure he would like to figure out why it is not working for you. > > Good luck. > > David. > > > > > On 15 Apr 2013, at 10:30, Alberto Caporro wrote: > > Hi David, >> >> my usage pattern is quite simple and repeatable. >> >> I have six email address configured in MailMate; one of them has two >> aliases, which brings the total of possible "From" address to eight; my >> work address has the domain "@consulthink.it", my main (in term of usage) >> personal one is a "gmail.com". >> >> If I write an email to one of my colleagues, as soon as I input his >> address >> (x...@consulthink.it) the "From" address is switched to my gmail account; >> I >> can change it back to the "consulthink.it" address, but the next time I >> write an email to the same person it happens again. >> >> There are at least three anomalous behaviours here: >> >> 1. When I write an email, the reasonable beahviour should be to use, as >> >> the sender address, one with the same domain, if available; if not some >> kind of heuristic should be applied. >> 2. If the algorithm is supposed to learn, why am I seeing the same >> behaviour again and again? >> 3. Why does this happen only with some of the recipients? I can send >> >> emails to other colleagues (same domain) and the sender address is the >> right one. >> >> This has been happening since the first time I've used MM, and is still >> happening right now; I've also tried removing my accounts, wiping my >> configuration and starting again from scratch, with no apparent change. >> >> Cheers, >> Alberto >> >> >> >> On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 7:16 AM, David Levy <entropyd...@mac.com> wrote: >> >> Hi Tom >>> >>> So far as I know, there is no way to disable this feature. There is >>> almost certainly a way to reset your past usage history. Benny (the >>> author) will know. >>> >>> I have not encountered any behaviour like you describe. There is nothing >>> random about the behaviour for me. I have five accounts and several of >>> those have aliases, so I could send from any of about 10 addresses. >>> >>> When I create a message, the sending ID is initially set to the account >>> currently selected in the message viewer, e.g. if a message in account A >>> is >>> selected, then the ID of my new message is set to A. >>> >>> The first address I type determines my sending ID after that, so if I >>> type >>> in an address I have most recently sent to using account B, my sending ID >>> is changed to B. Subsequent addresses do not change this, unless I >>> delete >>> the first and type a new one. >>> >>> So far, nothing random. >>> >>> If I now wish to send to this person that I most recently wrote to from >>> account B, using account C, I can do that by selecting from the the >>> pop-up >>> at the top of the composer window (or use ctrl-cmd-i which is what I use >>> to >>> select addresses). Then the message is sent from account C. So far, not >>> random. >>> >>> I do not know why you have four accounts, but I do because two are for >>> distinct jobs I do, one is my main address for most communication with >>> the >>> outside world and one is for friends and family. I find this feature >>> super >>> useful, indeed it is one of the most winning features of MailMate. 95% >>> of >>> the time or more, I only want to email work colleagues from my work >>> addresses and my friends and family from the account for that. MailMate >>> makes that happen now with almost zero intervention and no need to >>> remember >>> to check from which account I am sending. >>> >>> You say that the addresses change without asking. That is not my >>> experience. My experience is that it is deterministic along the lines >>> above. Maybe Benny can suggest a way to reset your history and that will >>> help. However, if you are fairly consistent, the patterns should quickly >>> stabilise. >>> >>> That said, to emphasise, if you change the sending ID in the composer >>> *after* you have put in your first destination address, MailMate will >>> behave just like Mail and other email apps. It will not change the >>> sending >>> account. >>> >>> David. >>> >>> >>> On 15 Apr 2013, at 0:26, Tom wrote: >>> >>> Hi David, >>> >>>> I'm pasting my original message below, to keep the thread organized. >>>> >>>> I am not meddling with address patterns and the Regex feature. >>>> It just changes the addresses without asking. >>>> >>>> I actually don't see how this could be useful. >>>> I want to be the only one to choose what address a mail should be sent >>>> from. >>>> >>>> Even if some day I decide to use the "personal" address to write to a >>>> person who >>>> I've alway contacted using the "work" address, I should be free to do >>>> so. >>>> No automatic address switching. >>>> >>>> Is there any way to disable it? >>>> >>>> Thank you for your feedback, >>>> Tom >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 14/apr/2013, 08:27, David Levy <entropyd...@mac.com>: >>>> >>>> On 13 Apr 2013, at 19:15, Alberto Caporro wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> in my experience MM change the "From" address when you add a recipient; >>>>> >>>>>> depending on your previous usage pattern it decides which address to >>>>>> use. >>>>>> >>>>>> I've still not been able to get a reasonable behaviour for this >>>>>> function; >>>>>> no matter whatever I've tried, wrong address still are selected for >>>>>> outgoing emails. >>>>>> >>>>>> Furthermore, it seems to interact in a very nasty way with the >>>>>> "Address >>>>>> pattern" feature, if activated; I'm going to submit a bug report to >>>>>> Benny >>>>>> as soon as I find a few minutes to collect the relevant screenshots. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> I am surprised to hear you say this. In my experience this >>>>> functionality, which I believe is unique to MailMate, works >>>>> exceptionally >>>>> well for me. I have avoided having to change my sending identity >>>>> hundreds, >>>>> maybe thousands of times, because of this. It has also saved me from >>>>> sending from the wrong address many, many times. I wonder in what way >>>>> it >>>>> is producing the wrong results? >>>>> >>>>> Perhaps you have unusual addressing patterns, which is why I ask. >>>>> Maybe >>>>> you're doing something I should be doing. >>>>> >>>>> I am not familiar, I think, with the "address pattern" feature, so >>>>> cannot comment. >>>>> >>>>> David. >>>>> ______________________________****_________________ >>>>> mailmate mailing list >>>>> mailmate@lists.freron.com >>>>> http://lists.freron.com/****listinfo/mailmate<http://lists.freron.com/**listinfo/mailmate> >>>>> <http://**lists.freron.com/listinfo/**mailmate<http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate> >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> Original message: >>>> >>>> Hi, I'm a new user. >>>> So far everything is great except for a no-go problem: Mailmate randomly >>>> changes the sender address of my messages. >>>> >>>> I've set it up with 4 mail boxes: >>>> - yahoo >>>> - gmail >>>> - personal IMAP account (domain A) >>>> - personal IMAP account (domain B) >>>> >>>> Quite often, when I send a message using one specific address in the >>>> "FROM" field (and now I triple check every time), Mailmate decides to >>>> change it with another one and sends the message with from the wrong >>>> mailbox. >>>> I've already verified that this is not a local problem (e.g. mixed >>>> labels >>>> in the GUI): these "swaps" appear on the remote IMAP directories as >>>> well. >>>> >>>> Is it some sort of hidden option I haven't noticed? 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