OK - so my assessment is pretty much in agreement with what Bill said
earlier…
The server side is moving the message to Spam. Then, on the MlMt side,
you see this move occur in the Spam folder and because you also have a
local Junk folder - also mapped as Junk - it will mirror whatever is
going on in the local-Spam folder. And actually what happens in
local-Junk should be mirrored in the local-Spam folder.
I’m not sure if just removing the local-Junk folder is fine - probably
should be but since I haven’t personally done that, I will withhold
any advice\comment. Perhaps others have done this and will comment….
- - -
On 26 Jul 2021, at 14:11, Ralph Alvy wrote:
Okay. Here's what I see.
I have a Spam folder on Fastmail server. In MailMate its Type is Junk.
I have a Junk folder in MailMate that is not on Fastmail server. In
MailMate its Type is Junk.
I now see identical messages in both folders. For some reason I didn't
before, but I think that had something to do with my transition to
Fastmail a few nights ago, importing from Tuffmail to Fastmail while
keeping Tuffmail online for a couple days.
But for now, both folders have the same messages in each and when I
delete a message in Spam, it is deleted in Junk. And if I delete in
Junk, it's deleted in Spam.
So it looks like I can just get rid of the Junk folder altogether
since Fastmail doesn't even see it. Correct?
On Mon, Jul 26, 2021, at 1:52 PM, Antonio Leding wrote:
So to recap (please correct any errors):
* There is a folder locally in MlMt called *Junk*; this same folder
does *not* exist on the Fastmail server.
* There is a folder on the Fastmail server called *Spam*; this same
folder does *not* exist locally in MlMt.
* SpamAssassin is running on the Fastmail side.
* The message in question was moved to the local *Junk* folder but
*not* the *Spam* folder on the Fastmail side.
* The message in question had header info that indicates it was
evaluated by SpamAssassin and also had a relatively high Spam score
(7.2).
If the above is accurate, then the next 2 things I would like to know
are:
* What happened to the message on the Fastmail side? Meaning in
which folder did it land?
* If you right-click on the local *Junk* folder and then goto
“Mailbox Type”, how is it mapped?
On 26 Jul 2021, at 8:00, Ralph Alvy wrote:
I forgot to mention that the Junk folder is not on the Fastmail
server. It is only a local folder created by MailMate. That seems to
suggest the only way it got there is via MailMate itself.
On Mon, Jul 26, 2021, at 7:13 AM, Ralph Alvy wrote:
But Fastmail has its own folder for that. It's called Spam. And it
did not put it in that folder.
On Sun, Jul 25, 2021, at 7:51 PM, Bill Cole wrote:
On 2021-07-25 at 20:15:31 UTC-0400 (Sun, 25 Jul 2021 17:15:31
-0700)
Ralph Alvy <mailmate@lists.freron.com>
is rumored to have said:
I have no Inbox rules at all. Here are the Sieve relevant lines
in the
raw message:
X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 3.0
X-Spam-known-sender: no
X-Spam-sender-reputation: 500 (none)
X-Spam-score: 7.2
X-Spam-hits: HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS 0.248,
HTML_FONT_LOW_CONTRAST 0.001,
HTML_MESSAGE 0.001, ME_HAS_VSSU 0.001, ME_SENDERREP_NEUTRAL
0.001,
RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE -0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE 0.001, SPF_PASS
-0.001,
URIBL_DBL_ABUSE_SPAM 7, LANGUAGES en, BAYES_USED none,
SA_VERSION
3.4.2
That's a SpamAssassin header, added by the server. Your mail
provider
put that message in Junk, not MailMate. The total score of 7.2 is
significantly above the default SA threshold score for spam (5.0)
but
the 'X-Spam-hits' itemization shows that almost entirely due to
one
issue: the "URIBL_DBL_ABUSE_SPAM" hit scored at 7. That hit
indicates
that there was a link in the message body whose domain is listed
in the
Spamhaus DBL list: https://www.spamhaus.org/dbl. It is rare for
the DBL
to list domains that are not exclusively used in spam, but it does
happen.
--
Bill Cole
b...@scconsult.com or billc...@apache.org
(AKA @grumpybozo and many *@billmail.scconsult.com addresses)
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