I got a rule in place that should cover this. I'll monitor and make sure
the desired behavior is occurring.

On Wed, Jun 21, 2023, 7:27 PM Michael Orlitzky <mich...@orlitzky.com> wrote:

> On 2023-06-21 18:39:59, Luke wrote:
> > Ahh. Thats funny. Apologies. You'll have to refresh my memory.
> >
> > Happy to help if I can. Give me the full response, code and string, and
> > tell me how you'd like us to handle it and if it makes sense, I can make
> > the necessary changes.
> >
>
> In this case, before patching, the original response was,
>
>   450 4.3.2 Service currently unavailable
>
> After patching, it's
>
>   450 4.3.2 Please retry immediately
>
> I'd rather not patch our MTA for the rest of eternity, so a rule for
> the first response would be preferable. But if that's not possible I
> can live with the second. After all, that was my hope/plan after the
> last discussion.
>
> In either case, one quick retry (a minute?) followed by a few slower
> attempts (1h, 12h, 24h, etc.) for 4-5 days would be perfect. The
> quicker retries help with the planned hiccups, while the longer ones
> accomodate the unplanned ones.
>
> However, a custom rule would address only that one source of 4xx
> error. Others are popular. For example,
>
>   450 4.3.0 Queue file write error
>
> when we kill a filter process while the MTA is waiting on it. And
> that's just for our MTA.
>
> I think I've already disproven the null hypothesis, that SendGrid
> retries normally in the absense of statistical evidence discouraging
> it. If that's not the case, it should be: the default should be to do
> the right thing and retry. Otherwise, everyone is going to have to hack
> their MTAs to return some magic phrase.
>
> Still, I'll take what I can get. Thanks for responding again.
>
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