On Thu, 25 Apr 2024, Paul Menzel via mailop wrote:
Until now we rejected emails from donotre...@invoices.premierinn.de

2024-04-23.log:2024-04-23 17:48:53 194.95.238.12 <22>Apr 23 17:48:53 mgw6-erl postfix/smtpd[744016]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from fra-smtp2.oracleindustry.com[138.1.67.161]:19102: 554 5.1.8 <donotre...@invoices.premierinn.de>: Sender address rejected: Domain not found; from=<donotre...@invoices.premierinn.de> to=<u...@molgen.mpg.de> proto=ESMTP helo=<fra-smtp2.oracleindustry.com>

because the return path would not work.

  $ host invoices.premierinn.de
  $

On 25.04.24 14:59, Andrew C Aitchison via mailop wrote:
Should someone here not know, RFC 7505
 A "Null MX" No Service Resource Record for Domains That Accept No Mail
is the accepted standard way to signal a domain that does not receive email.

This is not a null MX. Null MX doex explicitly exist and points to ".".
invoices.premierinn.de has no A, AAAA or MX records.

null MX would look like:

invoices.premierinn.de. 1800    IN      MX      0     .


The domainonly has SPF record which is a bit strange, but from the mail point of view it does not exist.

invoices.premierinn.de. 1800    IN      TXT     "v=spf1 include:oracleindustry.com 
~all"


So, there is no reason to accept mail from/to invoices.premierinn.de.

By using the MX records suggested there, a recipient would know
that the sender acknowledges sending mail from that domain.

It's the opposite. Null MX is designed to know a host does not send/receive mail, so you don't accept mail from/to such host.

I would personally prefer if the MX records started being explicitly required - so we don't expect all host with A/AAAA records to accept/send mail and don't need to mark them with Null MX to say "no we don't"

but changing this is for long run.
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