Dear Hans,
Pleased to hear there is still a place where the Eclogues are studied in
seconday school. I try to reread them every year, th eclosing lines of of
the first are amomg m essential passages of poetry.
I have found whenever I work with the commentaries that there is often a
basic floor of agreement on such readings, even though Servius sems to me to
discourage the wider shores of allegory.
Best wishes,
Helen COB
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Hans Zimmermann)
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> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 23:44:45 +0100
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: VIRGIL: virgo in Ecl.4
>
> Dear Helen,
> I have been astonished, that such a whole group of commentators saw that
> "virgo" as "iustitia" (and not as Artemis-Lucina or Persephone/Kore coming
> back
> to earth's surface or Aphrodite/Kypris with flowers under her feet).
> So I see a path, that I didn't see before: the commentators meant Virgo
> Astraia,
> daughter of Zeus and Themis, who as last but not least god leaves the lost
> earth
> in the war of everyone against everyone during aetas ferrea - Ovid,
> Metamorphoses 1,149 f:
>
> victa iacet pietas et virgo caede madentis
> ultima caelestum terras Astraea reliquit
>
> - by Aratos, Phainomena 96 ff interpreted as Dike (daughter of Themis) - so
> the circle is closed.
>
> thank you, it has helped much, for every Christmas time I read Ekl.4 with
> those
> pupils, who are in the 4th year (last year) of their Latin-course in school,
> very slowly, verse by verse. Some parallels to Ovids (Hesiodic) "aetates" in
> Met. 1,89 ff I had been using in former times; but this direct parallel from
> the
> leaving to the returning Virgo (Astraea) I hadn't found out, because I was
> fixed
> to the aetas aurea (Saturnia regna), comparing the vegetability (the
> "vegetable"...) of eternal spring here (Vergil, Buc.4,18-15) and there (Ovid).
> Now I also like to compare Ecl.4 with Ieshaiahu 11,1-10 (with the vegetarian
> lion...):
>
> http://home.t-online.de/home/lapsitexillis/jesse.htm#es wird ein Reis
>
> grusz, hansz
>
>
> Helen Conrad schrieb:
>
>> Servius: : Iustitia, quae Erigone fuit
>> Servius Auctus (Danielis, Donatus, or - as they say in Dublin - whatever you
>> are having yourself) filia Themides, (cum) inter homines versaretur, propter
>> eorum scelera terras reliquit: quam ideovirginem dicunt, quod sit incorrupta
>> iustitia.
>> Philargyrius I: idest Iustitia fugiens malos hominum mores inter rusticos
>> morata [est] in caelum abiisse fertur. Ideo Iustitia virgo dicta est, eo
>> quod incorrupta est, vel Maria.
>> Philargerius II: idest Iustitia vel Maria. REDIT idest post Eva
>> Scholia Bernensia: Iustitia, inter rusticos morata, fugiens mores hominum
>> malos, in caelum abisse fertur et nunc redisse. VIRGO, iustitia, quae
>> REDIRE decreuit propter hominum conversiones, vel Terra, quae nunc
>> frugifera, sicut et nunc, vel secundum nos Maria. IAM REDIT ET VIRGO idest
>> incorrupta iustitia, quae fugiens malos hominum mores in caelum dicuntur
>> abisse.
>>
>> I've quoted them all - as you would expect - ala Thilo and/or Hagen. I have
>> placed T&H's italics under Servius Auctus. Checked Verona with both T&H and
>> Bashera editions - although I was almost certain the fourth was
>> irretrievable - also checked Ihm's ed. of Medicea scholia (again a forlorn
>> hope). Is there any recent work on that one?
>> Helen Conrad-O'Briain
>>
>>
>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Hans Zimmermann)
>>> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 21:30:25 +0100
>>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> Subject: VIRGIL: virgo in Ecl.4
>>>
>>> what do the commentaries tell about the "virgo" in Buc. 4 -
>>>
>>> iam redit et virgo, redeunt Saturnia regna
>>> ?
>>>
>>> Hans Zimmermann
>>> http://home.t-online.de/home/mosaiken/ekloga4.htm
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